ruaok: maybe next year? We could have a MeB assembly!
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Leo_Verto[m]
Leipzig is pretty cool but the walking distances can get pretty high and there are fewer wall plugs and ethernet jacks around
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ZaphodBeeblebrox
congrats george, c1e0, thefar8[m], antara
2018-12-28 36236, 2018
VxJasonxV^
are there plans for allowing genres to be free-form later? Music that I curate (Konami's Bemani music game soundtrack releases) have… … "creative" genre names.
2018-12-28 36212, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
afaik, genres will eventually be own entities, not unlike areas or instruments
2018-12-28 36230, 2018
VxJasonxV^
those both being source code level curated items, yes?
2018-12-28 36240, 2018
VxJasonxV^
e.g. "whitelisted", essentially?
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ZaphodBeeblebrox
ehh i don't know. you ask reosarevok about that :D
2018-12-28 36206, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
oh
2018-12-28 36208, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
right
2018-12-28 36210, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
uhm well yes
2018-12-28 36213, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
but not jsut tat
2018-12-28 36223, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
i mena for instruments i do research to find out if it really counts
2018-12-28 36230, 2018
VxJasonxV^
some example genres: HAPPY HANDBAG, A.I.TECHNO, WINTER DANCE, and ANUBIS
2018-12-28 36238, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
sometimes research shows me that my prefrence is wrong and i have ot add it anyway :D
2018-12-28 36257, 2018
VxJasonxV^
there are many one-offs, the vast majority of them are. just a handful of genres with reused genre names.
2018-12-28 36257, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
right, so are those separate genres or are they fun names for other genres?
2018-12-28 36259, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
ie aliases
2018-12-28 36216, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
so basically genre-credits
2018-12-28 36235, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
(I think genre credits wil solve a pretty big problem, maybe)
2018-12-28 36250, 2018
VxJasonxV^
I have no idea. I guess technically the latter? But hell if I'm going to debate which genre should be the underlying canonical one.
2018-12-28 36253, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
i menain peopel thinking that a genre is so and such
2018-12-28 36206, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
perhaps have jsut a spesific list then
2018-12-28 36211, 2018
VxJasonxV^
Personally I would like two genres per track in these cases. One for a common name, one for a given name.
2018-12-28 36218, 2018
VxJasonxV^
the common name can be contested, the given name shouldn't be.
2018-12-28 36234, 2018
VxJasonxV^
I grant you that this is an edge case, we're talking maybe 40-50 releases with this information, officially, tops
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ZaphodBeeblebrox
sounds like "some genre as (other funny name) type credits ot me? :D)
2018-12-28 36248, 2018
VxJasonxV^
sort of, but not explicitly for that reason
2018-12-28 36257, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
true
2018-12-28 36204, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
but it coudl be used like that
2018-12-28 36209, 2018
VxJasonxV^
Konami has created genre names for all of nearly all of their songs in the beatmania IIDX and pop'n music series
2018-12-28 36222, 2018
VxJasonxV^
there's also the "djuk" drama of whatever metal band that was.
2018-12-28 36247, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
thing is: "funnyname" cna eventually actually become a thing
2018-12-28 36203, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
something like generalised bradname contra brandnames on isntruments
2018-12-28 36211, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
i won't add separate brandname gibson guitar
2018-12-28 36212, 2018
VxJasonxV^
yeah
2018-12-28 36228, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
but for electronic synths the type might actually be expereinced as a separate instrument
2018-12-28 36234, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
like we have "moog"
2018-12-28 36239, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
becasue moog is a separate thing
2018-12-28 36249, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
this is a definition thing. not unliek genre
2018-12-28 36204, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
so you'l lhave to make some styleguide aobut "hen is is considered a spearate genre"
2018-12-28 36207, 2018
VxJasonxV^
oh, here's a good way to express it
2018-12-28 36216, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
and yea, thats the issue with genre, becasue it's all "peopel decide"
but honestly, it's not much different with instruments. a lot of it is touch and go not hard evidence
2018-12-28 36209, 2018
VxJasonxV^
In the pop'n music world, every single song has a unique genre name, hence Classic 6, Classic 7, etc. Each classic minimix track has gotten an incremented "Classic #" genre name.
2018-12-28 36247, 2018
VxJasonxV^
if you click one of the song names, you will see the song track art, which lists genre/artist, not title/artist
2018-12-28 36254, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
thne the task becomes rather to figure out the semantical *actual* genre
2018-12-28 36243, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
if every single trakc has a separate "genre" thne is that really *genre* and not just.. idk, alternate trackname
2018-12-28 36232, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
like, are every single one of these songs markedly differnt is genre?
2018-12-28 36204, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
like this one "1 ANGEL / V.C.O. featuring Alt"
2018-12-28 36212, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
what is it to soudn like? guitars, music
2018-12-28 36228, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
not what they say it is, what does it *sound* like
2018-12-28 36236, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
(differnt people wil lsay differnt things ofcourse)
IMO it's general genre is techno pop, but no, "purists would say" its genre is A.I. Techno
2018-12-28 36208, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
it's jsut a funny name for "techno pop"
2018-12-28 36227, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
well it can have any tag it wants
2018-12-28 36252, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
and eventually perhaps the AI techno becomes an alias of techno pop
2018-12-28 36259, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
but if it's used only for one song ever...
2018-12-28 36212, 2018
VxJasonxV^
that's my conundrum in a nutshell :P
2018-12-28 36225, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
well it's like.. if I was going to do it as an instrument. if it was an instrument. I'd just add the name as an alias on "synth pop" and leave it as that and people could use whatever as an genre "credit" but the genre is "synth pop"
2018-12-28 36258, 2018
VxJasonxV^
synth pop is probably an even better genre than techno pop
2018-12-28 36203, 2018
VxJasonxV^
maybe. but again, that's the conundrum
2018-12-28 36221, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
fortiunatly it cna have the genre techon pop AND synth pop
2018-12-28 36224, 2018
VxJasonxV^
the base genre is so highly variable, but the give genre is very settled and able to be exactingly referenced
2018-12-28 36226, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
techno*
2018-12-28 36244, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
well you have folksonomy tags :)
2018-12-28 36221, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
this thing does soudn liek a thing, but it honestly doesnt soudn like a "what we mena when we say genre" thing
2018-12-28 36228, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
it's a differnt thing
2018-12-28 36235, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
it's alabel on what the makes of the song call it
2018-12-28 36202, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
a comment
2018-12-28 36228, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
(perosnally don't see the point if literally every singel one has a difernt "genre", but)
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ZaphodBeeblebrox
like, are there other songs in that list you'd call 2synth opo" that osudns like ANGEL?
2018-12-28 36221, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
like if i liek that song, i'll liek this other song too probably?
2018-12-28 36244, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
it has the same bps and the same groove and stuff
2018-12-28 36249, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
same.. actual genre
2018-12-28 36253, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
the purpose of genre is that some stuff is the smae as other stuff.. enough ot be similar in the same way. liek i'm listening to a DOMM albumversion of "dark side of the moon"
2018-12-28 36253, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
so it's "doom side of the moon" :D
2018-12-28 36204, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
idk if it really soudns lie kdoom doom, but it's that album and it's heavy
2018-12-28 36224, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
it's doom-y
2018-12-28 36248, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
to positive for doom doom
2018-12-28 36253, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
but they clal it doom so it's doom
2018-12-28 36227, 2018
ZaphodBeeblebrox
so you have a sort of label that may or may not actulaly semantically literally fit the gnere depending on what peopel athe selves actually think and feel
