I spent some time working with jmp_music_ on finishing his SoC project, and some back and forward with pristine___ on making the recommendation system work faster
I gave some back-and-forth about the recently discussed listenbrainz/recommendation stuff, and also talked with some UPF coworkers about ideas here.
I spent some time working on some new functionality for logging in brainzutils, and did some brainzstorming on CB (more on that later)
ishaanshah: ?
ishaanshah
Hey everyone!
Last week I was pretty busy IRL
Freso
(Only diru1100 left on my list now. Last call for anyone else who might want to give review!)
ishaanshah
Worked on tests for incremental dump support
alastairp
jmp_music_: are you around? (I know you started university again last week)
ishaanshah
Other than that started working on adding listen_count in artist_map today
fin!
diru1100: next?
diru1100
Hello everyone!!
Since SB was off hands I tried to explore other projects. Finally decided to check out CB, although it has low users and activity, I would like to be part of its journey.
Also shared my experience with MeB in local community meeting which led to few people to starring spambrainz_ml repo, hope to see more traction there.
Thank you
fin!
ruaok
Freso: ?
Freso
Oop.
Thank you all for reviews!
One more item on today’s agenda.
ruaok/alastairp: CB
ruaok
alastairp: do you want to share your findings to set the stage?
alastairp
sure
so over the last few weeks I've been slowly looking at a few things on CB. This started as a way to apply some security updates, but then I realised that there were a number of features that have been worked on over the last few years that haven't been released, and in the process of trying to release these I found a number of additional bugs
I had a look into stats, and since the beginning of 2020, only 4 reviews have been written
ruaok
we currently have no maintainer for the project.
alastairp
that means it's clear that people aren't using CB anywhere near as much as the other brainzes. There's currently no MeB contractor or volunteer working on CB, and so we need to make a decision on what to do with it
ruaok: across to you
jmp_music_
alastairp: Hey Alastair! Yeah, I 'm here. Yes, that's right. What time could we talk tomorrow?
ruaok
and at the very very least we need to do security updates.
our options are:
1. Find a volunteer
2. Mothball it (read only mode, but that still takes security updates)
3. Give up and shut it down.
CatQuest
1.! 1.! 1.! 1.! 1.! 1.!
Freso
CatQuest: Are you voluntelling yourself? :)
ruaok
diru1100: any more thoughts on helping with CB?
CatQuest
lmao, if i had the ability i would
shivam-kapila
I would vote for 1
alastairp
it's not yet clear what a volunteer would do in this context. We know that we need someone to work on programming, but also we need to work out how to make people want to use CB
Freso
Voting for 1 is only really helpful if you’re volunteering to maintain it. :p
_lucifer
Depending on the tasks, I'll try to lend a hand
ruaok
the problem is that people come and say they will do things, but then don't. in LB it is easy to be part of things since there is so much activity.
alastairp
there have been some forum posts over the years trying to encourage people to write reviews, but as much as people say "oh yeah, I'll do that", no one actually is writing anything
shivam-kapila
I feel eventually with LB feed people will also find CB interesting to give rviews
Freso
1 would be my preferred path too, but I can’t volunteer myself to it at this point.
alastairp
shivam-kapila: I don't believe that for one moment (unfortunately)
shivam-kapila
I would also join hands with _lucifer
ruaok
there is a chance that CB is simply under-exposed and that it might flourish with more attention.
hard to say, really.
alastairp
people say that they'll do a lot of things, but they almost never do. This isn't a problem, people have other things to do, but "promises of doing something" is almost never enough to make future plans
CatQuest
then 2. but never 3.
for me, honestly it's that I can't make reviews of books
diru1100
I haven't checked it out totally, but the reviews and users are less so far. It's connected to MB account so I expected there would be more accounts
ruaok
there is also a bit of a disconnect with the rest of the brainz projects -- it is a very different project.
alastairp
CatQuest: 2 still requires non-trival investment from someone
yvanzo
is it possible to have just a contractor dedicated to make necessary security updates only?
CatQuest
also that my beta reviews where deleted. that were no fun
diru1100
MB also has a 5 star rating in itself if I am not wrong.
Mr_Monkey
I think direct exposure on MusicBrainz pages would bring a lot more use
CatQuest
imean. i literlaly have soem book reviews already started in a note only waiting for the actual bookbrainz ability to review
alastairp
yvanzo: yes, and that's what I started doing
yvanzo
There was a plan to move the 5 star rating to CB, but that was when CB was still maintained.
ruaok
alastairp: did you ever make a community post on this topic?
shivam-kapila
alastairp: You have seen way more things than me so I would say that yes I will lean towards your views
alastairp
unfortunately I can't release until the existing bugs are fixed
CatQuest
wrong.
[19:31] <Mr_Monkey> I think direct exposure on MusicBrainz pages would bring a lot more use <--
alastairp
ruaok: no, I held off until this meeting, but I can post the doc that I shared to you
ruaok
alastairp: I think we should post this doc -- and let diru1100 take a closer look over the next week.
then maybe next meeting we circle around and see what has developed.
bitmap
maybe we do need to make it more visible from MB, I don't think we link anything unless there are already reviews
ruaok
but at very least we need one person to step up and be the leader for the project.
alastairp
great. it seems like there is overwhelming positivity towards it, we just need to work out how to turn that into content
ruaok
bitmap: for sure.
Freso
I like that plan, fwiw.
ruaok
alastairp: agreed.
CatQuest
maybe we do need to make it more visible from MB, agree
ruaok
ok, then let's be done with this topic for now and leave the topic on the agenda for us to review next week. k?
alastairp
we just need loujine to do some CB/MB integration like done with AB :)
thanks for offering loujine ;)
diru1100
alastairp: Everyone likes an underdog
alastairp
thanks ruaok
reosarevok
alastairp: it's already integrated, just not always
ruaok
thanks for kicking this off.
reosarevok
We can improve that
I'll take a look
CatQuest
and definitly move ratings to cb
ruaok
thanks reosarevok
alastairp
(thanks reosarevok!)
Mr_Monkey
Happy to help with design and UX for how to place that into MB
CatQuest
happy to ehh. test it?
Freso
Sounds like we have a path forward at least for the coming week?
Mr_Monkey
Yes.
Freso
Alright.
That wraps up tonight’s meeting then!
Thank you all for your time!
Mr_Monkey
Thank you!
Freso
Remember to stay safe and be kind to yourselves! ❤️
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bitmap
reosarevok: didn't we use to display "no reviews on CB / write your own" somewhere? seems like it disappeared
yvanzo
Thanks!
alastairp
reosarevok: yeah, interesting. I didn't even know that that existed
reosarevok
... yeah, it seems it also disappeared when we *do* have them :D
bitmap
damn it
reosarevok
Whoops. Will check
bitmap
wonder when that happened :\
reosarevok
Was looking for one to show alastairp :p
I mean, the fact nobody noticed at all says a lot about CB
But eh
Worth a shot
alastairp
I don't want to be too much of an aguafiestas, but I feel that this is the kind of thing that is really easy to get exited about in a meeting, but then fizzles out in the coming week
CatQuest
yea it used to be everywher. i forget whne it dissapeared but it did
alastairp
I hope that's not the cose!
case
reosarevok
alastairp: I mean, fixing the display / integration should be easy at least
Whether that will actually make anyone ever write reviews I dunno
alastairp
yeah, that's absolutely an easy win, and if that turns into traffic that'd be amazing
CatQuest
lols could we maybe give our gsocers and such homework to review some stuff? :D
alastairp
jmp_music_: hi! I just pinged you to see if you wanted to give a meeting update, since maybe Freso forgot you, or left you off because gsoc has finished? who knows :)
jmp_music_: but I'm definitely here tomorrow if you want to talk too
CatQuest: didn't we have codein reviews?
diru1100
I am will try my best to explore CB in the coming week, need some help on that. I think it's fate that I should work on CB at some point, as it was first GSoC proposal as well lol 😅
CatQuest
also we should put a post up on the blog like "hi we are looking for a maintainer for CB, also we want YOU(to review stuff/tell us why you havent)
yvanzo
diru1100: CB is probably next target for SB.
CatQuest
alastairp: i think those got put down becasue they wher too much copy pasta
shivam-kapila
diru1100: ping if you need some help that I can offer
alastairp
diru1100: please ask me any questions that you may have
CatQuest
it's harder to get kids not to be "clever" i nthat way
alastairp
CB takes a lot of disk space and resources to install because it has a full musicbrainz database copy, but the instructions are quite straightforward
CatQuest
diru1100: 👏
huh... that seems... less thna ideal?
shivam-kapila
if CB comes to stability in few weeks we might have a GSoC project
jmp_music_
alastairp: oh.. maybe because of the gsoc ending. I'll be online for the upcoming Monday's meeting though. Cool, talk tomorrow about the sklearn progress
CatQuest
idk nuthin' but knee-jerk reaction is that that shoud lbe able to be fixed better?
diru1100
I will do in my ubtuntu machine, it has ample space 1 TB
Thanks for reaching out, will ask doubts and learn a lot from this.
alastairp
jmp_music_: if you want to continue with the meetings, tell Freso or update his wiki page with the meeting attendees list (sorry, I've forgotten the url)
shivam-kapila: it's going to take more than some weeks, but perhaps we can push it through some time soon :)
huh lol just got a idea: whever someone has created a release. they could get a message says "do you have an oppinion about this music? yo ucna write a review in (link to cb for this release)!"
jmp_music_
alastairp: No worries. I 'll send him a message. thanks