I've told Google to ping me 15 minutes before meeting start.
2016-06-06 15847, 2016
chrisskye
-sigh- I know my timezones...I just totally forget in the morning...then I sit down to work and -wham- missed it!
2016-06-06 15820, 2016
Freso
chrisskye: Hence why an alarm might be good. ;)
2016-06-06 15830, 2016
gcilou
Freso: btw, the Google calendar says 7pm which is actually 2pm here..
2016-06-06 15836, 2016
chrisskye
I’m outside a lot and not with the phone (no data)...so calendar reminders and pings don’t reach me!
2016-06-06 15803, 2016
QuoraUK
its wrong in my timezone as well it seems
2016-06-06 15819, 2016
chrisskye
I recommend walking away from the electronics...it is rather liberating...
2016-06-06 15837, 2016
gcilou
:(
2016-06-06 15838, 2016
Freso
gcilou: The calendar is in UTC. Use the "+ Google Calendar" in the bottom-right corner to import it into your personal G calendar.
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Freso
QuoraUK: ^
2016-06-06 15803, 2016
gcilou
Ah nice
2016-06-06 15808, 2016
QuoraUK
Freso: rad, cheers
2016-06-06 15805, 2016
Freso
chrisskye: If you add the calendar to your own Google Calendar, you can sync it with your phone's calendar and you can get alerts even if you don't currently have data.
2016-06-06 15842, 2016
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Freso
(Won't help if you completely shut down the phone, of course.)
2016-06-06 15815, 2016
LordSputnik
QuoraUK: let's postpone 10 minutes if that's OK for you, I have dinner now :P
2016-06-06 15831, 2016
QuoraUK
LordSputnik:sure, no worries
2016-06-06 15855, 2016
chrisskye
Freso: When I don’t have data...I tend not to use the phone...
2016-06-06 15817, 2016
gcilou
Freso: it would be funny to have a counter on the screen to count how many times I say data ... 😬
2016-06-06 15830, 2016
chrisskye
I don’t take it outside when I’m gardening.
2016-06-06 15805, 2016
chrisskye
Phone is on...it just isn’t close to my body for much of the time here. hahaha
2016-06-06 15807, 2016
gcilou
LB and MsB are twins/twins-ish right?
2016-06-06 15806, 2016
Freso
gcilou: Kind of, yeah.
2016-06-06 15834, 2016
Freso
Developed alongside each other, at least, AFAIK. ruaok or russss or alastairp might know more details.
2016-06-06 15844, 2016
alastairp
yes, they are
2016-06-06 15852, 2016
gcilou
👍
2016-06-06 15806, 2016
alastairp
gcilou: what do you want to know for?
2016-06-06 15818, 2016
alastairp
I wouldn't advertise msb anywhere
2016-06-06 15831, 2016
gcilou
alastairp: the google presentation. I'm just giving an overview on the projects
2016-06-06 15856, 2016
alastairp
ah, sure
2016-06-06 15819, 2016
chrisskye
Freso: related to the brainstorming...is there some other notes somewhere about the TaskRabbit?
2016-06-06 15844, 2016
Freso
chrisskye: Not really. I don't think it's been discussed more than the couple of times ruaok mentioned it in here.
2016-06-06 15807, 2016
Freso
But I do stand by the comments I gave you earlier. :)
2016-06-06 15808, 2016
chrisskye
I don’t want to tread on his feet...he might have more ideas than I do
2016-06-06 15825, 2016
chrisskye
I can go public with ideas without checking with him?
2016-06-06 15838, 2016
chrisskye
I’m a bit too old school about the ‘boss’...
2016-06-06 15817, 2016
Freso
chrisskye: You're an employee of MetaBrainz now, but that also makes you a part of the community.
2016-06-06 15838, 2016
chrisskye
hahaha...um...yeah...
2016-06-06 15839, 2016
Freso
And even though ruaok is le jefe, the organisational structure is fairly flat.
2016-06-06 15800, 2016
Freso
I do run a lot of things by him before putting them public, but not always.
2016-06-06 15802, 2016
chrisskye
...so I can publicly vent ALL of my crazy ideas?
2016-06-06 15817, 2016
Freso
As far as I am concerned, sure. :)
2016-06-06 15842, 2016
chrisskye
and you’ll kick me if they’re out of line with policy?
2016-06-06 15842, 2016
Zastai
but probably more useful to do it here on IRC since otherwise we can't hear you
2016-06-06 15859, 2016
Zastai
gentle prodding at first, I'm sure
2016-06-06 15804, 2016
chrisskye
Zastai: here and the forum
2016-06-06 15808, 2016
Zastai
aye
2016-06-06 15814, 2016
Freso
I mean, I think it would be good for the community to see both the thoughts you have come up with regarding "BrainzRabbit" but also the thoughts ruaok has had.
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Freso
And then they can say which direction of the two they prefer, a combination, or something completely third.
2016-06-06 15833, 2016
chrisskye
k
2016-06-06 15834, 2016
Zastai
I thing we need to have some dynamic user help on the site. You know, some animated icon that says things like "It looks like you're trying to mess up an add-release edit. Want some help with that?". I call it ClipBrainz.
2016-06-06 15805, 2016
chrisskye
ahh...that’s interesting...
2016-06-06 15806, 2016
Zastai
The sad thing is, several people here will be too young to get the reference.
2016-06-06 15833, 2016
Freso
chrisskye: Also, "BrainzRabbit" is no hurry. All devs are going to be quite busy for the foreseeable future anyway. So let's take the time to get this discussed and laid out properly. :)
2016-06-06 15847, 2016
Freso got it
2016-06-06 15825, 2016
chrisskye
I understand there is no rush...but I like to have years to let an idea develop well...
gcilou thinks this is getting longer than 5 minutes .. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oCP8hyV3B_l5kyWc720hNQ4dEnHvL0_XY_08MZvrey4/edit?usp=sharing
2016-06-06 15844, 2016
LordSputnik
QuoraUK: ping
2016-06-06 15815, 2016
LordSputnik
gcilou: I'd aim to keep it at about 10 slides
2016-06-06 15827, 2016
QuoraUK
LordSputnik: pong
2016-06-06 15855, 2016
LordSputnik
If you're going much quicker than 30 seconds a slide it might be too fast - I tend to aim for around a minute with 3 or 4 bullet points of info
2016-06-06 15800, 2016
LordSputnik
QuoraUK: hows it gone today?
2016-06-06 15835, 2016
QuoraUK
It was ok, I had some crazy frustrating bug but I got there in the end :P
2016-06-06 15851, 2016
Freso
gcilou: I think you're cramping in too many things you want to tell. Once you think you're about done with the notes, try and do the presentation to one or both of your parents (or in school or whatever) and have someone in the audience time how long the presentation is.
2016-06-06 15852, 2016
QuoraUK
im still not 100% comfortable with the promises concept yet, but im getting there
2016-06-06 15809, 2016
LordSputnik
QuoraUK: that's good - what was the bug?
2016-06-06 15823, 2016
Zastai
chrisskye: ah so the rabbit is not a purely automated support thing, it's more of a bounty system with optional live chat support? aimed at making it easy for non-techy musicians/labels to add data about their releases? sounds like a good idea.
LordSputnik: I forgot to add an foreign key id to the thing I was testing, mocha didn't give me anything useful until it reached the end and I was stopping it mid way >.<
2016-06-06 15831, 2016
QuoraUK
It was telling me about the wrong thing pretty much :P
2016-06-06 15850, 2016
chrisskye
Zastai: thanks for the link! forgot where it had come from
2016-06-06 15852, 2016
Freso
gcilou: 6 minutes is okay. 10 minutes is not. :)
2016-06-06 15856, 2016
LordSputnik
QuoraUK: ahhh OK, I see
2016-06-06 15800, 2016
gcilou
:)
2016-06-06 15806, 2016
LordSputnik
So, you've got the model tests all done now?
2016-06-06 15818, 2016
Freso
(5:00 minutes is perfect!)
2016-06-06 15818, 2016
Zastai
(was Freso posting the link, not me)
2016-06-06 15832, 2016
QuoraUK
LordSputnik: Am I ok to use mocha and chai in the main bbsite by the way?
2016-06-06 15840, 2016
QuoraUK
LordSputnik: All done yeah :D
2016-06-06 15848, 2016
chrisskye
I think my idea meshes that a bit more with a support model. I call it a Valet...where you can get help...but you have to “tip”. So..we ask for donations in return for support.
2016-06-06 15850, 2016
Freso
Uff. Don't mix mocha and chai! Heathen! D:
2016-06-06 15857, 2016
QuoraUK
:P
2016-06-06 15858, 2016
LordSputnik
QuoraUK: yes, we already use mocha, but only have 4 tests - to check that 4 of the pages give 200 responses
2016-06-06 15824, 2016
Freso
chrisskye: I think ruaok's idea is more "we have this data, we'll pay [someone] to enter it in MB".
2016-06-06 15830, 2016
chrisskye
Zastai: and then using the tip/donation pool and hopefully some sponsors we can offer a reward/incentive pool to give back to the Valets
2016-06-06 15835, 2016
Freso
E.g., submit an Excel spreadsheet.
2016-06-06 15841, 2016
LordSputnik
QuoraUK: Ok, so what are you planning for tomorrow?
2016-06-06 15844, 2016
QuoraUK
LordSputnik: Yeah, I noticed. I went on a hunt for the tests and couldn't find them. That was why :P
2016-06-06 15820, 2016
QuoraUK
LordSputnik: Work on another badge, and get the tests in the main bbsite module, I have no real way of testing it actually works at the moment
2016-06-06 15825, 2016
Zastai
chrisskye: for 100 Valet points, your requests will bypass the rate limiter for one week
2016-06-06 15833, 2016
Zastai
:D
2016-06-06 15837, 2016
chrisskye
Freso: yeah...this builds on that...but we don’t take pay...we take donations...and then we give back rewards...but in a more flexible structure than fee for service
2016-06-06 15839, 2016
QuoraUK
LordSputnik: once that is done I can add more stuff to that part
2016-06-06 15848, 2016
chrisskye
Zastai: hahahaha
2016-06-06 15802, 2016
LordSputnik
QuoraUK: oh did you already work on a badge?
2016-06-06 15806, 2016
QuoraUK
LordSputnik: Working with the promises Im still not too comfortable that it actually works
2016-06-06 15814, 2016
Freso
chrisskye: BrainzRabbit task money would not go to/through MetaBrainz, but directly to the people doing the tasks.
2016-06-06 15836, 2016
Freso
MetaBrainz would just act as the middleman/agent getting the two parties talking.
2016-06-06 15849, 2016
QuoraUK
LordSputnik: Just the design for one yeah, It pretty basic. I found out about mozillas badge creator, which looks really cool. Unfortunatly its in closed beta at the moment.
2016-06-06 15818, 2016
chrisskye
Freso: my proposal is that the money goes to general admin. We administer a rewards system. Rewards might be transferable into something cash based...
2016-06-06 15850, 2016
LordSputnik
QuoraUK: just had a look, looks interesting :)
2016-06-06 15858, 2016
chrisskye
We could say all donations to that pool go back into rewards...and never to general admin...but I like the keeping this as donation and reward based and not a task/job/pay scheme
2016-06-06 15810, 2016
LordSputnik
QuoraUK: OK, so what are you having trouble with with promises, anything I can help with?
2016-06-06 15813, 2016
Freso
chrisskye: I see your idea, but I would honestly love if we could get a couple of people to sustain themselves by editing MB. I don't see that happening from your idea.
2016-06-06 15826, 2016
gcilou
Freso: should I say meb has build"8 projects" or just say like "we've got a bunch and here they are"?
2016-06-06 15837, 2016
Freso
gcilou: "A bunch"
2016-06-06 15845, 2016
gcilou
👍
2016-06-06 15854, 2016
chrisskye
Freso: well...if it goes to general admin and is successful...then it could become the basis for a hiring someone...
2016-06-06 15858, 2016
Freso
Picard was technically not developed by MetaBrainz, I think.
2016-06-06 15810, 2016
QuoraUK
LordSputnik: I think its just the general control flow, I dont particularly understand when and where you return them or just directly use them either
2016-06-06 15827, 2016
Freso
chrisskye: Sure. But I don't think *MetaBrainz* should employ someone for that.
2016-06-06 15850, 2016
Freso
chrisskye: BBC currently has reosarevok employed to enter data.
2016-06-06 15810, 2016
Freso
Someone pays CatQuest to enter releases.
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Freso
I've been paid by BBC to enter data before being employed by MeB.
2016-06-06 15851, 2016
chrisskye
Freso: was generally aware of that. I feel some sort of general conflict with this on the side for/profit thing.
2016-06-06 15853, 2016
LordSputnik
QuoraUK: OK, so, a Promise is a JavaScript object which "resolves" to a value. That means that you hold onto it until it's done with whatever it's doing asynchronously, and then when it's done, you can have it run a callback and do some other stuff. To pass this callback to the Promise, you use the ".then" method
