reosarevok doesn't see any reasons to not allow rating anything MB allows to rate
2017-03-06 06537, 2017
CatQuest
since recordings cna be "released seperatly" i don't see wh not maybe
2017-03-06 06546, 2017
CatQuest agrees with reosarevok
2017-03-06 06554, 2017
ruaok
well, if we don't have recordings in CB, we can;t move wholesale.
2017-03-06 06555, 2017
reosarevok
If you don't want to add full reviews for recordings, maybe don't, although being able to review, at least, a music video sounds interesting
2017-03-06 06556, 2017
Gentlecat
it's just that I think rating are really important and it would be easier to implement that separately in CB
2017-03-06 06520, 2017
Freso
reosarevok: I guess it's mostly more overhead since it will have to keep track of more entities in CB?
2017-03-06 06535, 2017
ruaok
If we had an API that was central and easy to use any and all of our sites could do ratings.
2017-03-06 06540, 2017
CatQuest
lol, i already voted ofr tat ticket reo
2017-03-06 06541, 2017
Gentlecat
another thing is that ratings in reviews and in MB don't necessarily have to match
2017-03-06 06555, 2017
ruaok
CB could be the rating store with API and then all our other projects use CB for ratings.
2017-03-06 06556, 2017
reosarevok
Well, if we want to expand CB to books and whatnot eventually, we should be used to have a lot of stuff to rate, Freso
2017-03-06 06520, 2017
Gentlecat
someone suggested allowing submitting multiple reviews for the same entity, what are we going to do in that case?
2017-03-06 06521, 2017
SothoTalKer
hello
2017-03-06 06523, 2017
Freso
FWIW, we already have a rating handling central API at mb.o.
2017-03-06 06544, 2017
Gentlecat
Freso: this is not something we can use
2017-03-06 06545, 2017
reosarevok
Freso: only central as long as we only rate MB stuff :p
2017-03-06 06547, 2017
CatQuest
actually someitme it makes sense to be able ot review recordings separatl. soemtimes I have quit a lot to say aobut spesific songs my favourite but putting it in a release review is.. well
2017-03-06 06547, 2017
Freso
So if ratings move from mb.o to CB, that API will also have to be considered.
2017-03-06 06558, 2017
Gentlecat
there's no way to know if someone changes rating on MB
2017-03-06 06514, 2017
Gentlecat
and if they do, should we change their rating on a review in CB?
2017-03-06 06521, 2017
Freso
(Esp. considering tha the mb.o/ws/ ratings API is editable. Ie., you can submit ratings from a player/tagger/program to MB.)
2017-03-06 06527, 2017
reosarevok would expect ratings to be disconnected from reviews
2017-03-06 06530, 2017
ruaok
Gentlecat: perhaps the first step is to design an API that would allow all MB projects to use ratings.
2017-03-06 06552, 2017
ruaok
even if CB doesn't use recording ratings.
2017-03-06 06553, 2017
CatQuest
Gentlecat: you can make revew and rating independantly on CB , possin´bly. but it makesm uch more sence to have ratings centralised in one palce
2017-03-06 06553, 2017
Gentlecat
that rating is probably related to a review, and they might forget that they reviewed an entity
2017-03-06 06500, 2017
CatQuest
and CB seems lie kthel ogila choice for such
2017-03-06 06523, 2017
reosarevok
(but that's also because I like reviews without grades)
2017-03-06 06525, 2017
Freso
I'm personally much more likely to rate something than to review it.
2017-03-06 06530, 2017
Gentlecat
ruaok: API where?
2017-03-06 06534, 2017
ruaok
in CB
2017-03-06 06536, 2017
reosarevok
I assume most people are, yes (re: Freso)
2017-03-06 06552, 2017
CatQuest
ratings wiouth reviews and rewies witouth ratings should both be possible
2017-03-06 06555, 2017
ruaok
or a separate new API that uses the CB database. whatever.
2017-03-06 06502, 2017
ruaok
or RatingsBrainz
2017-03-06 06515, 2017
CatQuest
isn't that like like CB
2017-03-06 06516, 2017
ruaok
and API with no web interface
2017-03-06 06517, 2017
Freso
Also, if the API can be made simple, there are a lot of people that would love for a service to store their ratings of the music so they won't get lost when they "restart" their library or whatever.
2017-03-06 06528, 2017
CatQuest
+++!
2017-03-06 06540, 2017
CatQuest
omg yes
2017-03-06 06546, 2017
Gentlecat
I think this is being made way too complex than it needs to be
(Based on conversations seen on Kodi forums and in #beets and other places.)
2017-03-06 06504, 2017
Gentlecat
all people want to do is attach a number to their review
2017-03-06 06521, 2017
CatQuest
also not to mention corrolating your rating s of tracks in different places eg. if yo uswitch musicplayer or use a portable one etc etc
2017-03-06 06532, 2017
ruaok
Gentlecat: that is true. yet we need to consider the aspects of how to do that.
2017-03-06 06540, 2017
ruaok
we are doing that.
2017-03-06 06555, 2017
Freso
Leo_Verto: I think your topic will have to wait for next week.
2017-03-06 06513, 2017
ruaok
we need to consider all the angles and the solution might be simpler, but you can't arrive at a solution until you consider all the possible cases that might affect this decision.
2017-03-06 06521, 2017
CatQuest thinks the centralised place of ratings in one place is a good idea to prevent deduplication and that other brainz can use the api for ratings+ reviews
2017-03-06 06542, 2017
Gentlecat
again, I think rating in a review should be separate from a rating that is given outside of a review
2017-03-06 06552, 2017
CatQuest
seems to be what CB was made for :O
2017-03-06 06501, 2017
reosarevok probably agrees with that Gentlecat statement
2017-03-06 06503, 2017
Gentlecat
because review might be written around a rating that is associated with it
2017-03-06 06509, 2017
ruaok
Gentlecat: I don't think anyone suggested to tie the two together.
CatQuest thinks rewiews and ratings shoud lbe independant, but made possibleot link?
2017-03-06 06532, 2017
CatQuest
so like "you've written a review, (optionally) add a rting:"
2017-03-06 06532, 2017
Gentlecat
which means that it can be already implemented, if it's going to be separate
2017-03-06 06550, 2017
Gentlecat
right, not really CB-4 anymore
2017-03-06 06552, 2017
ruaok
not until we consider the uses cases to hand.
2017-03-06 06509, 2017
Gentlecat
but having some kind of rating would be nice
2017-03-06 06510, 2017
Freso
(3 minutes left of meeting.)
2017-03-06 06517, 2017
CatQuest
but definitely a bad idea to implement separate ratings on mb and cb and onward . i think
2017-03-06 06521, 2017
reosarevok
Well, the use cases are a) people want a review with a number in it, b) people want to rate stuff, not necessarily with a review
2017-03-06 06521, 2017
CatQuest shuts up
2017-03-06 06524, 2017
ruaok
we've grown out of the phase where we can just start coding on things. we need to consider the ramifications of this on our other projects.
2017-03-06 06501, 2017
ruaok
reosarevok: good start. now how about from a developer's perspective?
2017-03-06 06510, 2017
CatQuest
reosarevok: c: some people like to read a rewiew that doesn't necessary have a rating related ot it?
2017-03-06 06511, 2017
reosarevok
a) doesn't need to be connected to b), and actually it might even be better if it's not, then we can decide what sort of rating we want (we can have 1-to-5 as well, but we can have 1-to-100, or even multiple things you could review)
2017-03-06 06526, 2017
reosarevok
CatQuest: yeah I don't think they should be mandatory
2017-03-06 06541, 2017
CatQuest likes that!
2017-03-06 06550, 2017
ruaok
I think this needs more discussion.
2017-03-06 06502, 2017
ruaok
either make a new ticket and have someone adopt it or make a topic for the summit.
2017-03-06 06511, 2017
Freso
Or a topic on the forum?
2017-03-06 06517, 2017
reosarevok
Like, I've seen reviews that are "Performance: rating X" and "Recording quality: rating Y" (for classical mostly)
2017-03-06 06518, 2017
ruaok
sure.
2017-03-06 06521, 2017
CatQuest aproves of forums
2017-03-06 06522, 2017
ruaok
and review in a week?
2017-03-06 06529, 2017
reosarevok
Since the two are not connected, and people might care about one more than the other
2017-03-06 06530, 2017
Freso would really like more CB discussion on the forums :)
2017-03-06 06534, 2017
ruaok
there isn't enough time for reach any sort of conclusion now.
2017-03-06 06539, 2017
reosarevok
Having 1-to-5 is kinda simplistic for that
2017-03-06 06542, 2017
reosarevok
Yeah, forum sounds good :)
2017-03-06 06544, 2017
CatQuest
yes
2017-03-06 06544, 2017
Freso
Agreed.
2017-03-06 06504, 2017
Gentlecat
Freso: if only there was a category to discuss CB stuff
2017-03-06 06514, 2017
Freso
Gentlecat: There is. /c/metabrainz
2017-03-06 06521, 2017
Gentlecat
sure, but who knows that?
2017-03-06 06536, 2017
CatQuest
reosarevok: I've been thinking we should have 1-10 or 1-5 with ability to half-heart(star) something.. since rating can be a half star if enough people rate up/down
2017-03-06 06538, 2017
Gentlecat
still don't understand that decision, tbh
2017-03-06 06539, 2017
Freso
It says in its description.
2017-03-06 06554, 2017
Freso
Anyway. That's not the topic for the meeting.
2017-03-06 06556, 2017
reosarevok would think it'd make sense to have one cat per project - some might see little use, but so what?
