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      • lazybookwyrm[m]
        Looks like mine
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      • BrainzBot
        CB-467: Can't log in to CritiqueBrainz
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      • aerozol[m]
        MB Beta login has been broken for a long time, now it's prod too
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      • aerozol[m]
        Crism: I think that release needs to be changed to a LP, I don't see it on any streaming services, and no mention of the LP coming with a download code (but your search results may be better)
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      • rustynova[m]
        It's not using beta. Even stable is broken
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      • reosarevok[m]
        Updating beta
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      • reosarevok[m]
        Has anyone ever actually checked whether the discogs importer breaking classical music and anything else that uses headers like https://www.discogs.com/release/14179480 is just bad coding that can be fixed or it's a mess on the Discogs code it uses?
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      • reosarevok[m]
        Because I'm getting tired of fixing bad imports by newbies :(
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      • tofu[m]
        <reosarevok[m]> "Because I'm getting tired of..." <- I'm not involved in this project really but I can say as a dev of 15 years that if you have consistent "newbie" code issues what you really have is a process issue (PR reviews, etc)
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      • reosarevok[m]
        Not code issues :)
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      • reosarevok[m]
        Newbie data adders using an old importer (which has some annoying issues) and ignoring the issues entirely and adding borked data
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      • reosarevok[m]
        The importer is not part of our code, it's an external userscript
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      • reosarevok[m]
        But I should probably see if I can improve it and stop dealing with the mess, just checking whether someone had already looked at it and figured out it's a lot harder than it seems :)
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      • tofu[m]
        Gotcha, it's always more complicated than I would expect :)
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      • tofu[m]
        (Not this project specifically, just in general)
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      • reosarevok[m]
        monkey, zas, yvanzo: any idea how to get (I assume French) users to stop picking https://musicbrainz.org/instrument/72ef1be2-d348-… when they want viola?
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      • reosarevok[m]
        I suspect a large majority of those are viola recordings
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      • yvanzo[m]
        Hi reosarevok: I didn’t even know this instrument existed. I would suggest to use the more common/less ambiguous name “vertical viola” instead and to mention its inventor Carleen Hutchins in disambiguation comment.
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      • reosarevok[m]
        ApeKattQuest (IRC): ^ should we maybe rename it?
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      • ApeKattQuest
        reosarevok[m]: yvanzo[m]: hmm the only issue with that is that it kinda breaks https://musicbrainz.org/instrument/07bffa5f-17a9-…
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      • ApeKattQuest
        then again,I guess the relationships to that can have credits...
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      • ApeKattQuest
        my ocd hates the idea but if this means we make it *much*easier to prevent peopel creating a mess...
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      • yvanzo[m]
        Why would that break anything?
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      • ApeKattQuest
        wait. but "vertical *viola* as a nother problem : peopel will instead use it for Viola eg english alto credits
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      • ApeKattQuest
        oohhh i'm starting to remember why i named it like this now
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      • yvanzo[m]
        “Vertical viola” is also the main name used in Wikidata/Wikipedia.
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      • ApeKattQuest
        I mean break as in "it's not called in a similar pattern to the others"
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      • ApeKattQuest
        see "my ocd"
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      • ApeKattQuest
        comment above
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      • yvanzo[m]
        That is just an OCD issue then, not a real one.
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      • yvanzo[m]
        By the way, the link on “alto violin” in the annotation is wrongly pointing to another instrument.
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      • ApeKattQuest
        curb your enthusiasm, I said"but if it fixes.."
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      • ApeKattQuest
        anyway I'm not sure it actually doesnt recreate another problem. reosarevok[m] qhat do you think?
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      • yvanzo[m]
        You can mention both names in the annotation, so that your OCD is satisfied too.
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      • ApeKattQuest
        that's.... what I said :)
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      • yvanzo[m]
        You didn’t mention the annotation.
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      • ApeKattQuest
        the annotation is fixed
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      • yvanzo[m]
        The links in the annotation can be set with the description you prefer.
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      • ApeKattQuest
        yea the annotations aren't that important. noone looks at those but me :D
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      • ApeKattQuest
        no I meant the links in relaionships, "instrument credit"
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      • ApeKattQuest
        they cna be changed. so that "fixes my ocd" (makes things look tidy) fits with what the creator of the violin octet thought out, eg
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      • reosarevok[m]
        ApeKattQuest (IRC): I think it's more likely that viola will still be available ahead of vertical viola
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      • ApeKattQuest
        the issue. is that I'm not sure that the word "Vertical viola" is good
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      • ApeKattQuest
        if it was Vertical *violin*
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      • reosarevok[m]
        I'm sure some people will still pick the wrong thing (some probably pick violin family when they mean violin or whatever) but still :)
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      • ApeKattQuest
        hmm....
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      • ApeKattQuest
        shall we ask the community? wich name they find less confusing? (if they find vertical viola confusing at all, maybe it's a non isuue)
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      • yvanzo[m]
        Sorry, I mistyped viola earlier, it is “Vertical violin” indeed
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      • reosarevok[m]
        No, it's actually vertical viola in most sources I see? :)
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      • ApeKattQuest
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      • reosarevok[m]
        Honestly, we could just change it and see how people use it. We could even name it "vertical viola / alto violin" although I know you dislike slashy names
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      • yvanzo[m]
        Oh right, I’m getting too confused now, thank you.
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      • ApeKattQuest
        yea. ecxactly. lol
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      • ApeKattQuest
        I mean. fuckit we can jsut name it verticla violin
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      • yvanzo[m]
        Just use the one from WP/WD, it is probably the most reliable, and it is less ambiguous.
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      • reosarevok[m]
        Yeah, agreed that in principle "use what wikipedia has" might be the least confusing :)
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      • ApeKattQuest
        lol hungarian has vertikális brácsa
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      • ApeKattQuest
        so "vertical (name for viola) just to make it *really* annoyingly difficult lol
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      • ApeKattQuest
        ok. I'm convinced. create a ticket please (currently working on something else, so i don't forget)
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      • ApeKattQuest
        we can also link that i na community post and say we're changing it (because you know how people react when we rename instruments)
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      • yvanzo[m]
        This instrument is linked to 500+ recordings. It might be worth tracking this change through an INST ticket for follow-up.
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      • dvirtz[m]
        I don't if that's related but I could never undestood the instrument autocomplete algorithm, e.g. typing `clairne` still only shows `clarinet` only as the second option
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      • dvirtz[m]
        * I don't if that's related but I could never undestood the instrument autocomplete algorithm, e.g. typing `clarine` still only shows `clarinet` only as the second option
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      • dvirtz[m]
        Anoher example:
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      • dvirtz[m]
        * I don't know if that's related but I could never undestood the instrument autocomplete algorithm, e.g. typing `clarine` still only shows `clarinet` only as the second option
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      • dvirtz[m]
        s/*//, s/undestood/understand/
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      • dvirtz[m]
        s/*//, s/undestood/understand/, s/only//