there's just so much more information ahead of us than behind us as to make it seem, once you learn enough about a subject, like we barely know a thing
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Erin
>.>
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CatQuest
head example: the more you learn about colour and what it actually *is*
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CatQuest
i know about electron states and.. it's jsut
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CatQuest
wtf is colour even
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Erin
color is just a wavelength
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Erin
of a photon
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CatQuest
oh but it's so much more :D
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Erin
or
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Erin
perhaps
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Erin
you might describe it as our perception of said wavelength
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CatQuest
and the photon is created by electrons dropping or increasing states
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Erin
given that we can see things that dont exist
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Erin
ah but
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CatQuest
or knocked loose or whatever
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Erin
what it is .... is not defined by how it comes about
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Erin
it remains photons with various properties
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Erin
simply sourced one way or another
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Erin
yes, energy states can do the thing
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Erin
but that is how it is made
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Erin
not what it is
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CatQuest
not ot menation that photon scew thing wich i don't know how to say in english. where observed photon states are set if one is observed
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Erin
uncertainty principle?
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Erin
oh wait no
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Erin
you're talking about that
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CatQuest
uh. it's more *certanty* but i don't know what it's called in english. only learned it in norwegian :D
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Erin
no i was thinking of something else
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Erin
i know what you mean
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CatQuest
:)
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Erin
but
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Erin
the reason that doesnt make sense
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Erin
is because ... we're thinking about it wrong
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Erin
we try to approximate the idea
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Erin
by saying the photon is in all possible places at once
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Erin
with varying probability
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Erin
until needed
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Erin
but that's ... just our grade school explanation
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Erin
it's more like
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Erin
a photon is an excitation of the electromagnetic field
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CatQuest
my idea is that photons are wack. also they move at the speed of light . wich is impossible. so time dilation will make time stand completely still in the ov of a photon
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Erin
and as such
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Erin
several things occur
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Erin
first, the photon is not in several places at once
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Erin
it is not in any
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Erin
the photon is not the "thing"
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Erin
the field is
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CatQuest
and THEN there is string theory
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Erin
and the field simply permeates a region
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Erin
and when interacted iwth
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Erin
it excites
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Erin
this explains other elmeents too
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Erin
like bose einstein condensates
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Erin
where cooling things down enough causes them to coalesce
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CatQuest
but that's not true either. photons (and indeed electrons (and larger things too probably if the physics had allowed it to be observed)) have both matter and wave characteristica
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Erin
what's really happening is that we removed so much energy that the field cannot excite as much
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Erin
well
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Erin
not matter
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Erin
particle
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Erin
matter has mass
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Erin
particles just ... are
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CatQuest
uh well i am trasnalting form norwegian here
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Erin
:b
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Erin
but yes, a photon does particle things
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Erin
and is excited by the field
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CatQuest
and it's been like 5 years or more sicne i faffed with this
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CatQuest
realy wish I could have continued with physics. it really shock up my world whne i learned about Newton and *force* and wtf it was
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Erin
this is also how tunneling can be explained
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Erin
the thing doesnt teleport
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Erin
it doesnt go through other things
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Erin
it simply reverts to a field form, and then excites
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Erin
it makes sense, in a way
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Erin
if you can think of something as both there ... and not there
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Erin
or there ... in a more ... representative fashion
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CatQuest
heiseberg comes ot mind? lol
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Erin
yes
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Erin
well the interaction that provides the information about one property?
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Erin
that is an interaction with the field
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Erin
so by doing that
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Erin
perhaps the field is being altered
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Erin
perhaps "observation" is a relevant interaction with the local field
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Erin
such that it acts in an input/output capacity, capable of both extracting information [and energy], and imparting the same
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Erin
but the core of what im getting at is called "wave particle duality"
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Erin
wave is just a ... low information term
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Erin
that basically refers to the field
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Erin
actually
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Erin
come to think of it
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Erin
...the idea of things as fields until needed as particles would explain the whole "reality is not locally real" thing that was recently given a nobel prize
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Erin
although it does leave open the question of what makes something a worthy observer
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derwin
21:44 < Erin> because im not /an/ expert
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derwin
21:44 < Erin> so it's astounding to be /the/ expert
