I gave it a shot using Google translate and the wiki guidelines but got to the end and realised I didn't really know what I was doing enough to hit 'submit' :D
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Erin
are you trying to work out a translation?
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Erin
or just casing
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aerozol
Curioujust casing
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aerozol
*just casing
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aerozol
I will learn a bit from what it ends up as!
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Erin
so in questions abotu casing
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Erin
99% of the time i just look at what the official version says
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Erin
even if that's "wrong"
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Erin
the policy is to match official versions
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Erin
im trying to find a photo of the back of a case or something
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aerozol
It's all hand-written in caps
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Erin
hm
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Erin
you have a physical copy?
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aerozol
But I don't think that is the policy fwiw - we standardise to Title Case unless there is artist intent
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aerozol
No just the scans on the release
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Erin
well thats what intent is
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Erin
when they publish it that way
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Erin
so like, we wouldnt say it because discogs has it that way
2021-12-07 34104, 2021
Erin
but if it's actually on the back of a jewel case ... then that's intent
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Erin
i know lots of japanese english titles dont upcase anything
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Erin
or they do all caps
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Erin
i see that a lot
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aerozol
Not really, we wouldn't do it all caps here because they like how their handwriting looks in caps
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aerozol
And we definitely wouldn't because the graphic designer thought it would look better in all caps on the back of a CD
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Erin
well if its a guy making a copy, you're right
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Erin
is that official or someone's copy
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Erin
the scans in the pictures section
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aerozol
Even if the artist themselves put the text on the back of the CD, we would only call it 'artist intent' if they *intentionally* made the caps a certain way. If they simply don't care about the caps (in most cases) we would standardise to Title Case.
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aerozol
official according to Discogs
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reosarevok
Yeah, we generally assume the artist doesn't care what they're doing, unless there's a clear intent (so, most is normal case and one is lowercase, or the whole thing is very consistently lowercase, or stuff like that)
2021-12-07 34122, 2021
reosarevok
Les Anges de Manille is fine (Anges per caps guideline, Manille proper noun)
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reosarevok
"Le Dialogue Des Joueurs de Cartes" -> "Le Dialogue des joueurs de cartes" I think
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Erin
ive always taken all lower or all upper as clear intent because it's unusual
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Erin
where i'll take an odd use of normal title case, like missing it for one word, as simple mistake
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Erin
but
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reosarevok
"Un En-Plus" - not sure that's even French, but "Un en-plus" if so
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Erin
either way
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Erin
my main confusion is just whether what's written is the actual thing or just someone's copy
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Erin
cause it might just be self "published"
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reosarevok
"Vert Galant" -> probably as is because it seems to mostly be a place?
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aerozol
JP releases are a bit different, because they often get fancy with their caps (intentionally)
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Erin
but i also can see everyone else everywhere else using normal title case on this
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Erin
yeahhh
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Erin
also sometimes for those
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Erin
they dont blind uppercase the whole thing
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reosarevok
Chauve-Souris -> Chauve-souris I think
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reosarevok
"Trace de Rêve" -> "Trace de rêve"
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Erin
if they do it for one song, they might not do it for others, so that ... seems purposeful
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reosarevok
"Seul Ici, Sans Issue" -> "Seul ici, sans issue"
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reosarevok
"La Loi D'Airain" -> "La Loi d'airain"
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aerozol
In this case I doubt every artist on this comp happens to have a track that should always be written in upper case if you know what I mean
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reosarevok
I think that's all, and someone like Lotheric might correct me :)
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Erin
ah its a compilation
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Erin
yeah thats even more challenging
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aerozol
Thanks so much!! That's really helpful Reo
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aerozol
That's pretty much what I figured - so you do uppercase a 'La/Le' + the next word. I wasn't sure if I was reading the guideline correctly
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reosarevok
*mostly* :)
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aerozol
Erin: I really do always just do Title Case unless there is a very clear intent that can't be for a design/visual reason (eg all upper or lower case)
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aerozol
:P
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reosarevok
IIRC you don't if there's an actual verb (so if it's a sentence)
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reosarevok
But that's not the case here, so
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aerozol
aye aye aye
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Erin
im lazy so i dont second guess it
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Erin
if they're clearly trying for title case i'll correct it
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Erin
but if one clearly wants to be all caps .... i just leave it
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Erin
especially for things that are known enough, if i find that the casing used is the popular usage
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aerozol
Erin: Honestly I would never leave all caps by default. Mixed caps, sure
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reosarevok
Yeah. Basically, I'd check if the artist website, for example, also uses all caps for the titles
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reosarevok
If they do, then ok, close enough to artist intent
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aerozol
Or if you find that the artist really consistently uses all caps everywhere when naming a song (snaked by reosarevok for that one)
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Erin
so
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Erin
for japanese work specially
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Erin
a huge portion there's no "Artist"
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Erin
or site
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Erin
a ton of it is soundtrack stuff
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Erin
group work, compilations, "various artists" stuff
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Erin
or show based "Get a composer and hire some voices" stuff
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aerozol
Something like this: my SONG title - definitely seems like artist intent
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reosarevok
Yeah, I mean, Japanese stuff I would probably modify less, because Japan :D
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Erin
so what the studio says sort of is how it is
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Erin
sometimes i do sometimes i dont
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aerozol
But a whole back cover all caps seems like more of a design decision (most of the time)
2021-12-07 34142, 2021
Erin
but if they intentionally use latin, i leave it
2021-12-07 34157, 2021
Erin
although if its only japanese script, i'll titlecase the romaji
2021-12-07 34118, 2021
Erin
eh, one might argue that design is part of the studio process
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aerozol
right, but it isn't part of a canon recording title (I am a designer fyi hehe)
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Erin
but if thats how they have it, and thats how everybody knows it to be, and so on and so on, im definitely not stepping up and saying "well hang on now, i have a different preference"
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aerozol
If that's how everyone knows it to be, sure.
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Erin
most of the time i'll check like ... tower.jp
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Erin
or suruga.ya
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Erin
or some japanese store in japanese language
2021-12-07 34129, 2021
Erin
if they have english wording for the tracks ... then thats about as sure as i can be
2021-12-07 34147, 2021
Erin
[not always cdjapan though .... they sometimes dont line up]
2021-12-07 34136, 2021
Erin
although sometimes i'll just copy paste whats on vgm
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Erin
anyway, im out o/
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aerozol
cya!
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aerozol
yeah I have no experience with JP edits so you keep on trucking :D
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CatQuest
Erin: I belive reo and aerozol are talking more generally (especially western) tracktitles
2021-12-07 34137, 2021
CatQuest
especially japan does things with caps like yo uahve experienced and we leave it alone
2021-12-07 34158, 2021
CatQuest
also other countries that do not do Title Case do also do this more
2021-12-07 34108, 2021
CatQuest
for example norwegian wich is sentence case
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CatQuest
i never follow ALL APS on compilations (unless it's clear that all these artists are all caps (if the gerne was typiclal so,))
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CatQuest
another one is chiptunes and vaporwave, where caps is very obviously intnetional
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freijon
hello
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freijon
A song on my CD is called "Let it Shine (Neon Feather Remix)". How should I document this? Is "Neon Feather" an additional artist?
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reosarevok
freijon: Add it as "Let It Shine (Neon Feather remix)"
