I was wondering: if an album is released several time under different Bandcamp profiles (for example, under the artist profile, then the label profile), that count as separate digital releases, right?
2022-02-06 03726, 2022
derwin
I don't think so, but others might.
2022-02-06 03718, 2022
Sylvhem
I’m asking, because it’s what I saw earlier today.
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derwin
I personally consider all digital releases that are obviously the same tracklist and recordings to be the same release.
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ev
this is an arbitrary thing not really addressed by the documentation
2022-02-06 03708, 2022
ev
i dont really see how it's different from an artist selling cd copies at a concert
2022-02-06 03759, 2022
ev
conversely there may be something about the release on the artist bandcamp that is unique, like custom pdf notes or an additional hidden track [not displayed on the web-page] if you shell out for it
2022-02-06 03709, 2022
ev
so it's really about using reasonable judgement, i think that the cd-sales-at-concert example may be a good way to think about it as this is a question of distribution if there's nothing fundamentally different from the regular digital releases
2022-02-06 03731, 2022
ev
the other thing to check will be UPC. this is embedded in the bandcamp page but it is not widely-known
2022-02-06 03702, 2022
ev
I think that a unique UPC on the bandcamp page compared to those on streaming/digital download stores or the label bandcamp is a good reason to make a new release, as it is analogous to cd barcode. but if the label bandamp has no upc, or the UPC is identical to the CD on one of these bandcamp pages, i would say ignore it. there's countless examples of the upc getting added by artists that is just the CD barcode and in this case it's fairly meaningless
2022-02-06 03730, 2022
ev
you can expose the UPC using the bandcamp userscript or grep for the 'upc' field in the page sources
Those four digital release have no UPC and seem to be identical in all aspects. So, as far as we are concerned this is a unique digital release, right?
again, I consider those one release, except for the cassette version.
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aerozol
Too late to catch Sylvhem, but I would often add diferent releases for label vs band releases on Bandcamp if it helps tell a story about the release. For instance, a release on a band's Bandcamp 6 months before a release on a labels Bandcamp tells a story
2022-02-06 03716, 2022
aerozol
And MB reflects that by having a [no label] release at an earlier date and then a [x label] release 6 months later
2022-02-06 03754, 2022
aerozol
Plus the user can easily decide what label/band they want to give their money too when they purchase via MB links. I don't know if people actually do that but I like the idea a lot
2022-02-06 03714, 2022
aerozol
Anyway, I think some of that applies to the 'Lost Cascades' example, there's a story to be told there :)
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CatQuest
<aerozol> Too late to catch Sylvhem, but I would often add diferent releases for label vs band releases on Bandcamp if it helps tell a story about the release. For instance, a release on a band's Bandcamp 6 months before a release on a labels Bandcamp tells a story
2022-02-06 03756, 2022
CatQuest
I kinda know waht you mean. in my oppinio it's simply "it was released separatly" and that.- in mb is a "separate release" you know?
2022-02-06 03715, 2022
CatQuest
and yea. i usually go directly to the rtist if i can
It should have changed all of the track and recording titles with with quote marks/hyphens, but it seems to have only applied a the changes to one of the CDs track titles and a single recording.
2022-02-06 03714, 2022
guyfawcus
I checked the diff pretty thoroughly but there's a chance I missed something. Before I cancel it and try again, I wanted to check if there was a limit to the number of changes in an edit or something similar? Cheers!
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Sylvhem
Sorry aerozol, CatQuest, I only saw your messages in the log now 😅.
2022-02-06 03712, 2022
Sylvhem
I’ve gone ahead and started a merge here (https://musicbrainz.org/edit/86989911) If any of you think they shouldn’t be merged, feel free to chime in there!
2022-02-06 03711, 2022
ev
guyfawcus: the reason it's not automatic edit is that you changed three dots ... to ellipsis …
2022-02-06 03719, 2022
ev
so it's going from three characters to one character
2022-02-06 03729, 2022
ev
the other edits went through because they were automatic edits
2022-02-06 03746, 2022
Sylvhem
aerozol, CatQuest : By they way, I think you both make very good points. I’m not too keen on the idea of merging thove either.
2022-02-06 03702, 2022
guyfawcus
ev: 🤦 I only checked the open edits, didn't realise that the others went through automatically. Thanks!
2022-02-06 03704, 2022
ev
guyfawcus: also, there's no style guideline for Gaelic so you need to check the orthography matches the book. there were earlier editions of the book that did not correspond with the current orthography e.g. acute accents. there is no guideline for Gaelic but if you could write one that would be great
2022-02-06 03731, 2022
ev
doesn't seem to apply to that track listing but things like accents on capital letters are particularly contentious
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guyfawcus
ev: Tapadh leibh a-rithist! All of the titles were hand copied from a physical copy so this version should be okay. If I find alternate spellings I presume they should be added as aliases? I'll be sure to keep an eye out.
2022-02-06 03726, 2022
guyfawcus
I'm still very much a beginner when it comes to Gàidhlig (spent a little while on Duolingo but I've only just read the part of that book where it talks about accents, in the notes before page 1 '=D ); helping out with that sort of thing is definitely a goal of mine when I learn a bit more!
2022-02-06 03702, 2022
ev
the book is ok but i think you should subscribe to the podcast Beag air bheag and listen to the radio/tv to really pick it up
ev: Sgoinneil =D I'd added a preset for Radio nan Gàidheal on my radio and watched some TV, but I hadn't found that podcast or wiki (already delving into them). Much appreciated!
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Goldmaster
hi there, how do i get picard to fill track names as they are from musicbrainz?
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PelvicSorcery
What do you mean?
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Goldmaster
Hi there, on musicbrainz for vinyl releases, tracks are often titled as A1 A2 ect. yet when i go to tag a track in picard with a vinyl release, the track has 01 or something like that in the track file in the file. how do i get picard to fill track field with A1 or A2 like mp3 tag can do with discogs?
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PelvicSorcery
No idea. Maybe there's a plugin? I don't use vinyl.
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Goldmaster
thank you, im surprised as i dono why picard tags files as 01 when in musicbrainz the album numbering is A1
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outsidecontext
Goldmaster: by definition the tags are numeric only. For ID3 you can enter anything anyway, but software might or might not be compatible with track no. like A1. But if you want Picard provided the %_musicbrainz_tracknumber% variable for that
2022-02-06 03753, 2022
outsidecontext
There was a discussion about this a few days back
2022-02-06 03747, 2022
Goldmaster
yeah ive got that for file names, im talking about in the file metadata field. so i have to set picard to use id3?
There are two cassettes version and a MiniDisc version.
2022-02-06 03721, 2022
KassOtsimine
yea. all the digital releases come fro mthe fact that each was a physical release but bandcamp usually has adigital thing for selling this (or it's merc instead)
2022-02-06 03731, 2022
KassOtsimine
so each thne is a physical+ it's "digital page"
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Sylvhem
None of the physicial releases have an entry in MusicBrainz (yet).
2022-02-06 03754, 2022
Erin
fun
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KassOtsimine
those should deff be added :D
2022-02-06 03722, 2022
Erin
now the ultimate question
2022-02-06 03738, 2022
Erin
do we consider a bunch of different locations of the same digital package of content to be distinct?
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KassOtsimine
42!
2022-02-06 03744, 2022
Erin
or the same
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KassOtsimine
wait not that answer-...
2022-02-06 03749, 2022
Erin
cause there's also spotify
2022-02-06 03701, 2022
Erin
but id ont think we should have a release for every website
2022-02-06 03711, 2022
Sylvhem
KassOtsimine: I was planning to do just that when I found the three different digital releases.
2022-02-06 03721, 2022
KassOtsimine
i'd say "yes" of the label is different/selfreleased
