#musicbrainz

hah, so here's a pretty funny mb edge case : https://musicbrainz.org/release/d84e322a-df87-4...

track A5 here has the wrong duration

if you listen to it on streaming and go to 4:28, you will hear Tom Petty say : "We've come to the point in this album where those listening on cassette, or records, will have to stand up or sit down and turn over the record or tape. In fairness to those listeners, we'll now take a few seconds before we begin side two... Thank you. Here's side two.

this message obviously does not appear on the vinyl and tape versions (I know the latter, because when I was a kid I had the tape version 😅)

it appears that the version without this message is 4:23 - https://musicbrainz.org/recording/28ad9682-a88a...

(4:22 or 4:23)

So, two different recordings, the 4:52 one should have an annotation "with CD version dialogue at end" or somesuch.

I have both in my library (the long version from Pono, hires, the short version on greatest hits).

there also appears to be at least two CD releases (France, Germany) which have the shorter version

Nice, probably early masterings from the LP master.

https://musicbrainz.org/release/9a7c8b6b-4d2c-4... (unfortunately no verifying DiscID)

I am, unfortunately, relatively unlikely to find the time to fix this, but I thought it was really neat and weird as a clear case where the artist had intent to have different versions for different media.

That may be the only Petty CD I don't have an early pressing of to check the discid. Discogs seems to confirn the run time, but otherwise I would have thought someone just imported the vinyl track times.

I just bought an early CD copy with 4:23 on the cover art so we'll soon find out.

Talking Heads - Speaking in Tongues had longer versions on the cassette and edits on the CD (due to fear of not fitting on the CD I guess) but then the CD was later repressed with the longer versions. There are similar cases for other CD's when they were worried what would fit and put an edit on the CD. But this is kind of unique in that it is a longer version on the CD.

wow, that's dedication!

Eh, just realizing something was missing from my collection and curiousity!

I think it will be this one https://musicbrainz.org/release/d37bb9e5-c696-3... which has a mix of 4:23 and 4:52 discids.

So I am guessing there are early 4:23 pressings then later ones with the longer version (maybe with the same artwork).

But there are definitley CD discids with the short version out there.

derwin: https://musicbrainz.org/release/bad818f4-5232-4... is another example - the 8-track version is divided into tracks differently from the other releases, so "Pigs on the Wing" has an extra guitar solo in the middle to link the two parts together

ats: neat! that's a great album, I should listen to it more

Cheezm___: nice find! yeah I didn't exhaustively look for releases with the 4:23 and a discid

When I get my copy, I'll clean up whichever release it matches. In the mean time I've added the annotation to the long version.

(disambiguation)

With so many discid's on that release, it may be a silent remaster and need to have two releases with the same cover art/barcode, etc. and some disambiguation based on that track length.

thanks, go mb!

derwin: not the same edge case, but the cassette release of this has extra tracks with dialogue re. how it’s on a cassette: https://musicbrainz.org/release-group/6f6d58bf-...

Stupid as album haha

pretty similar tho yeah

if a release on spotify "matches 0 countries", does that mean it is Withdrawn? https://atisket.pulsewidth.org.uk/?preferred_co...

Sciencentistguy: The tracks aren't greyed out if you go the Spotify page at least

it doesn't let me stream anything at the moment (including other tracks) because of some API errors, so it might just be Spotify being broken

Sciencentistguy: I just checked a couple of releases and Spotify is returning a valid list of countries

the API response on the one you posted contains "available_markets": []

Sciencentistguy: plays for me fwiw.

(in the US)

is there a way to "touch" .flac files in a way that would fix this problem?

E: 14:18:38,969 /usr/lib/picard/picard/ui/item.error_append:108: <FLACFile '03.flac'>: Stream info block not found

E: 14:18:38,970 /usr/lib/picard/picard/ui/item.error_append:108: <FLACFile '04.flac'>: Stream info block not found

those are picard errors

vlc is playing it right now since I'm listening to it...

Could you open and re-encode them with Audacity?

That will technically fix it (you could convert to wav and re-encode as flac as well) but it will just encode the error. It likely is a corrupted file.

VLC will play corrupt FLACs just fine, so will a bunch of players, it doesn't mean the file isn't buggy though

VLC will play corrupt FLACs just fine, so will a bunch of players, it doesn't mean the file isn't buggy though

Pretty sure if Audacity will open it around the error/corruption it will create a clean version encoding it again.

But that is the first step to see if any editing/conversion software can read it without reporting an error.

it'll create a clean final output but it will encode whatever the error is as a gap or 'zit'

it depends on the corruption but if it's possible to source a clean version, that's obviously preferable

Depends what kind of error it is, sounds like some kind of header info. (Or could even be a bug in Picard not parsing something correctly).

if it's sourced from some torrent, I'd assume it's an actual error, either the torrent didn't finish or was corrupt in the first place

if it's sourced from a CD rip, I'd just rip the disc again and then report a bug if it's actually clean

first thing I'd do is run 'flac -t', that checks the actual stream content against the checksum

well, 'flac -wst' is the best

do the ETI rules for english extend to other languages as well?

specifically, the first (1-1) and last three (2-18, 2-19, 2-20) tracks on this release https://beta.musicbrainz.org/release/711678e6-f...

i.e. should i replace the `～` and `-` with `(` / `)`?

Sciencentistguy: Japanese releases have their own set of conventions… I wouldn’t mess with that unless you understand them.