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      • antlarr
        Hi, I'm creating a new artist and as disambiguation I'm thinking on writing "acoustic piano/guitar/music box versioner". Would that be correct? I'm sure there's a better word than "versioner" :-) for... you know, an artist that makes simple versions of famous songs.
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      • CatQuest
        antlarr: idk, cover version or the like,
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      • CatQuest
        "makes versions of" yea i don't know tbh
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      • CatQuest
        i'd say just write whatever and explain in the anotation. any one else cna come and edit/improve
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      • antlarr
        maybe "makes acoustic piano/guitar/music box versions"
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      • CatQuest
        but make sure aerozol doesnt coem and remove words :P
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      • antlarr
        hehehe
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      • antlarr
        thanks!
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      • CatQuest
        that looks great actually 👍
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      • aerozol
        CatQuest: Should probably be ‘an artist that makes acoustic piano/guitar/music box versions’ to not leave contextual gaps ;)
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      • aerozol
        ‘…versions of songs’, really
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      • aerozol
        But seriously, re. versions/versioner, maybe ‘covers’ instead?
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      • antlarr
        I don't really know what's the difference between a "cover of a song" and a "version of a song", but in this case, I'm more inclined to use version, since it's quite different and I understand a cover tries to be a "remake"
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      • aerozol
        Sounds like they might be doing stuff like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxjY_YTksKM
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      • aerozol
        But I haven’t heard it so your call :)
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      • antlarr
        hehe, sorry, I didn't put the link. It's this artist: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0tHTaS75vDkQCSn2o…
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      • reosarevok
        I thought a cover was just a version by someone else than the artist
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      • reosarevok
        You can have a metal cover of a folksy singer-songwriter song and it's still a cover :)
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      • atj
        yes, they're a cover artist
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      • antlarr
        ok, I'll change the disambiguation to "artist that makes acoustic piano/guitar/music box covers"
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      • antlarr
        btw, according to the wikipedia, even if the original artist records a song again, that's considered a cover
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      • reosarevok
        Yeah - we don't usually have that strict a view of it in MB, although the term is pretty badly defined
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      • antlarr
        from what I see... it's anything that's not the first recording of a song :)
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      • atj
        to be honest that disambiguation seems excessively long, is there an artist with the same name who does electric piano covers?
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      • atj
        "cover artist" would almost certainly be sufficient to disambiguate
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      • moviuro
        Hello, I got a 32-track version of "Atomic Heart (Original Game Soundtrack) Vol.2" from music.youtube.com (https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m…) that release doesn't seem to be in the musicbrainz database; and the version picard found for me is missing track 28-Neptune.
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      • reosarevok
        moviuro: if there's several releases with / without extra tracks, then we should add a new release in the same release group :)
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      • moviuro
        I have no idea how to do that. I'll have a look this evening Europe/Paris time if I can get some documentation/help to do that
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      • reosarevok
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      • moviuro
        thanks reosarevok , I'll do that
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      • outsidecontext
        I think it was just a mistake and the track was just left out when this release got added. MB has https://musicbrainz.org/release/0335910e-f9d4-428… , and the edit notes tell https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0C6WLHYQK as the source
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      • outsidecontext
        there track 28 Neptune is clearly there, and for the MB release track 28 just was left out (there is track 27 and 29, and nothing in between)
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      • moviuro
        weird, picard used track 28 instead of 29, etc. (28 Shrouded in Mystery, 29 Arlekino, etc.)
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      • outsidecontext
        moviuro: there is a difference between the track numbering (which always counts from 1 to the track position) and the track number as written (which sometimes are different, e.g. roman numerals). Picard will use the track position by default, but provides a variable for the number as written
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      • reosarevok
        Oh, ok
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      • reosarevok
        Then yeah, the release should just be amended, sorry :)
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      • moviuro
        I'm having very severe performance issues to access the musicbrainz website though :(
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      • moviuro
        ah, it's back now
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      • reosarevok
        Yeah, sorry, we did have temporary issues
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      • moviuro
        it happens reosarevok , I'll request a refund
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      • derwin
        yeah, can I speak with the manager??
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      • reosarevok
        derwin: oh no. the memories.
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      • CatQuest
        [10:19] <reosarevok> I thought a cover was just a version by someone else than the artist <-- same
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      • Sciencentistguy
        putting aside weird circumstances where the same physical person acts as a different artist, yeah i agree
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      • moviuro
        https://musicbrainz.org/edit/100412273 reosarevok it wasn't even that difficult :)
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      • reosarevok
        atj: is it possible to point atisket at the test server for testing?
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      • reosarevok
        (say, if someone wants to try how it works before actually submitting real stuff)
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      • atj
        They can edit the form using developer tools!
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      • reosarevok
        Updating prod containers
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      • atj
        I don't even think there is a setting in the app configuration to change the MB URL
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      • kellnerd
        Do you think this would be a useful feature to seed to test or a local server?
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      • reosarevok
        I was just thinking of it as a possible thing to tell someone like a company or artist who might want to check what they are doing twice before they do it
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      • kellnerd
        Ok, I will add this idea to the notes for my in-progress a-tisket alternative then, seems easy enough to add another env variable for it.
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      • Sciencentistguy
        Just noticed that picard doesn't seem to like .mka audio files. are there any plans to support these?
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      • Sylvhem
        I have a question about relationships.
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      • Sylvhem
        https://ia902607.us.archive.org/31/items/mbid-7c9… give us the name of the artists at a release level. There are no more specific liners notes.
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      • Sylvhem
        Should I add the relationships to the artists at the release level or at recordings level? It seems like a reasonable assumption to do the later.
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      • yvanzo
        Hi Sylvhem, I would add them at release level.
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      • Sylvhem
        Thanks yvanzo!
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      • yvanzo
        Unless you can decide some more specific relationships at recording level.
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      • yvanzo
        Usually I add them at release level, and later on move them to recording level when I get more info.
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      • yvanzo
        For example, the recording/mixing relationships can be set at recording level because it applies to all recordings.
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      • yvanzo
        On the contrary, the instrument relationships cannot be set at recording level because it may only apply to some recordings.
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      • yvanzo
        But adding at release level is the safest option in any case.
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      • Sylvhem
        Thanks!
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