Director relationships!! Definitely needed for audiobooks
2023-07-20 20150, 2023
kellnerd
As you've also left a comment on ticket STYLE-1230, I think that was more of a UX issue with the old relationship editor, each voice actor credit required five clicks at least without the new "add another" buttons.
But I would also welcome if we could give voice actors more visibility by moving "spoken vocals" out of the "other vocals" section.
2023-07-20 20100, 2023
kellnerd
Ideally "spoken vocals" would have more specific subtypes like "voice actor" and "narrator"
2023-07-20 20112, 2023
reosarevok
Hmm
2023-07-20 20124, 2023
reosarevok
The issue with that is that I'm not sure those are styles of voice? :D
2023-07-20 20131, 2023
reosarevok
They're more like tasks, no?
2023-07-20 20126, 2023
kellnerd
Thers's definitely a huge difference between someone reading the narration parts and someone acting a role, but I get what you mean.
2023-07-20 20101, 2023
kellnerd
Depending on their role, the voice actor might even sing lead vocals etc.
2023-07-20 20109, 2023
reosarevok
(I expect a narration is often acted as well - when I heard Gaiman narrate his own Nordic myths book he was kinda-sorta acting out the roles, but also narrating the rest in his normal voice)
Yeah, that's the thing with audiobooks, the narrator "acts" the different spoken roles in addition to the parts the narrator of an audio drama would read.
2023-07-20 20148, 2023
aerozol
(warning: audio drama I linked is only recommended if you like really *terrible* audio dramas)
2023-07-20 20107, 2023
reosarevok
(I kinda got that idea just by the cover, lol)
2023-07-20 20134, 2023
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2023-07-20 20148, 2023
reosarevok
aerozol: do you think "stage director" is ok as a name for audiobooks if it mentions it's for things theatre, audio drama and audiobooks on the description?
2023-07-20 20152, 2023
reosarevok
If not, do you have a better suggestion? :D
2023-07-20 20154, 2023
aerozol
As a beginner editor I would find it confusing and possibly err on the side of caution by not using it. Unfortunately.
2023-07-20 20155, 2023
aerozol
Tricky
2023-07-20 20116, 2023
kellnerd
In my experience with beginner editors they don't even know/care about relationships
2023-07-20 20118, 2023
aerozol
Director (video) and Director (stage/studio)?
2023-07-20 20134, 2023
kellnerd
Especially beginners which add audio dramas barely add more than a tracklist
2023-07-20 20139, 2023
aerozol
Everyone who adds relationships was a beginner at adding relationships at some point. There’s probably some confusing stuff that I ignore to this day, because there’s lower hanging fruit
2023-07-20 20104, 2023
aerozol
I guess even I would find it a bit confusing, since I don’t really associate ‘stage’ with a recording studio
2023-07-20 20108, 2023
reosarevok
FWIW, keep in mind the default now when we select a relationship is to actually show the description :)
2023-07-20 20114, 2023
aerozol
(I haven’t had a close look at this ticket btw)
2023-07-20 20148, 2023
reosarevok
That's ok, this is not part of the ticket directly anyway )
2023-07-20 20158, 2023
aerozol
Is ‘stage’ helpful if it’s not applicable in a lot of cases? Or am I misunderstanding the meaning of the term.
2023-07-20 20118, 2023
reosarevok
My worry is that if we just have "director" it could mean anything, including the video one, or a classical conductor
2023-07-20 20127, 2023
aerozol
I would perhaps go ‘Director’ and ‘Video director’?
2023-07-20 20153, 2023
reosarevok
See above comment :)
2023-07-20 20113, 2023
reosarevok
Maybe that's not an actual problem, I dunno - I would expect people to use it for "director" classical credits that mean "conductor" tho
2023-07-20 20115, 2023
aerozol
Is it bad if people have somewhere to put something that’s just credited as ‘director’?
2023-07-20 20136, 2023
kellnerd
Naive idea: Is there a problem with having multiple identically named rel types "director" if the descriptions are also shown?
2023-07-20 20138, 2023
aerozol
Hmm yeah that’s true, re. conductor.
2023-07-20 20157, 2023
reosarevok
kellnerd: mostly they would get grouped weirdly, nothing *awful*, but
2023-07-20 20115, 2023
aerozol
Video director as a type isn’t an issue imo
2023-07-20 20116, 2023
reosarevok
(also would make it impossible to select properly for users who hide the descriptions)
2023-07-20 20124, 2023
reosarevok
yeah, I think video director is a shoe-in
2023-07-20 20137, 2023
reosarevok
I'm just trying to figure out the best option for stage and audiobook now
2023-07-20 20120, 2023
kellnerd
Or what about "audio director"? I haven't really seen someone use that term but the distinction to "video director" is immediately clear. Maybe it becomes a problem when we have video recordings of stage performances.
2023-07-20 20123, 2023
aerozol
Better you than me :D
2023-07-20 20133, 2023
reosarevok
I considered "audio/stage director"
2023-07-20 20143, 2023
reosarevok
Of course, we could have all three
2023-07-20 20150, 2023
reosarevok
"audio director" and "stage director"
2023-07-20 20154, 2023
reosarevok
Maybe it gets dumb tho
2023-07-20 20107, 2023
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2023-07-20 20137, 2023
kellnerd
I would not be against, but I mainly need the "audio director" in this case. Has someone already requested the "stage director"?
2023-07-20 20151, 2023
aerozol
I like granular data a lot, but it gets tricky when you don’t have the data to start with. If a lot of credits are just ‘director’ then will editors be able to choose the right one, or will they guess? (that’s a genuine question, I don’t know)
2023-07-20 20100, 2023
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2023-07-20 20110, 2023
aerozol
(I only really need audio director as well)
2023-07-20 20122, 2023
kellnerd
I mentioned stage directors for completeness only, I'm not really into editing theatre/opera releases.
2023-07-20 20106, 2023
aerozol
ooh, I like that if I search for ‘director’ conductor comes up already
(already had to remove some wrong credits with this rel type from audio dramas)
2023-07-20 20145, 2023
reosarevok
For audio director, I expect that'd be both release and recording?
2023-07-20 20106, 2023
kellnerd
reosarevok: In the same (very abstract way) that the description of "creative director" matches.
2023-07-20 20109, 2023
reosarevok
(video director should also be on release level actually)
2023-07-20 20126, 2023
kellnerd
^re ticket 138
2023-07-20 20140, 2023
reosarevok
kellnerd: I'm just thinking, will audio director mean we no longer need this or will we need *yet another director-ish thing*
2023-07-20 20153, 2023
kellnerd
Definitely, we need all these directors at release and recording level
2023-07-20 20121, 2023
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2023-07-20 20105, 2023
kellnerd
reosarevok: I dunno, maybe ask the author of the ticket whether the exisitng "creative direction" rel type is what they want.
2023-07-20 20123, 2023
kellnerd
(if you understand that rel)
2023-07-20 20140, 2023
kellnerd
*the purpose of
2023-07-20 20140, 2023
kellnerd
> An important side note: In previous RFCs, some people mentioned a director-like credit relating to visuals, choreography, etc. That is what is commonly referred to as creative direction and we now have a separate relationship for it.
And I guess reword from "directed the video" to "was video director for"
2023-07-20 20129, 2023
kellnerd
> aerozol: I’m leaning towards audio director + video director + (optional) stage director, upon reflection.
2023-07-20 20137, 2023
kellnerd
^that :+1
2023-07-20 20104, 2023
reosarevok
Since it's not *only* for music videos, it can also be for a recorded opera or whatever
2023-07-20 20140, 2023
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2023-07-20 20153, 2023
reosarevok
"This indicates the artist was the director of this video recording." for recordings, "This indicates the artist directed video on this release." for release I guess
2023-07-20 20154, 2023
kellnerd
Sounds good to me
2023-07-20 20129, 2023
reosarevok
I assume we should still prefer it for the recordings if known?
2023-07-20 20139, 2023
kellnerd
(both the wording and the idea to discretely include "stage director" in "video director")
