(but also trying to import anything even in a modern browser works badly, the info in the first tab works alright, but the tracklist is bork)
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brett
Interesting question! https://musicbrainz.org/release-group/3217e1a9-a7… has an elipses in the title but the cover art has *four* dots on it. AFAICT there's no four-dot elipses so should it just be four periods?
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brett
or perhaps a three-dot unicode elipses followed by a fourth dot? According to wikipedia that's used at the end of a sentence, not the beginning
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sentriz
hi! i've noticed both musicbrainz picard and beets have the same behaviour regarding multi-valued tags
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sentriz
for example (with vorbis comments) you might see ARTIST=A ft. B; ARTISTS=A; ARTISTS=B;
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sentriz
(which is to say, using ARTIST for the concatinated/display values, and ARTISTS for the individual artists) and i'm wondering, is this some sort of standard? since they have the same behaviour? and is it documented anywhere?
that does indeed mention the artist and artists tags, and how picard uses them (artist credit string vs individual artists)
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sentriz
but i'm wondering is there a "higher authority" has definied the meaning of these tags somewhere, since beets does the same thing
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sentriz
some authority that says (just taking vorbis as an example) ARTIST means X, ARTISTS means Y
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rdswift
I think that each format (id3, wave, vorbis, etc) defines their own tags, and programs like Picard try to write the appropriate information into the specified tag format. Picard and beets both use the mutagen library for their tagging, so it's understandable that they produce the same results.
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rdswift
outsidecontext, is MUCH more knowledgeable on this subject than I and might be able to point to some better documentation and explanations.
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sentriz
rdswift: true mutagen supports those multi valued tags, but it's still the user of mutagen who decides the meaning of them, right? or am i mistaken
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sentriz
for example, it's picard that decides the meaning of the strings in this dictionary https://ptpimg.me/i631c7.png
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sentriz
in this case, it decided that ARTIST is the credit string, ARTISTS is the list of individual artists. i'm wondering is there a standard for this
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sentriz
because beets follows the same standard
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crism
sentriz: Not an authoritative answer… but ARTIST is old-school, from when all we had was ARTIST/TITLE/ALBUM/TRACK/YEAR. So it makes sense that ARTIST would be the singular display version (“A ft. B”). ARTISTS maybe isn’t the best name for a multivalued tag enumerating the separate artists, but given that ARTIST was already taken, I think it makes sense.
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sentriz
crism: mm yes i agree, it definitely makes sense
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sentriz
for context though, i've written a music streaming server that support reading multi valued tags, and it also treats ARTIST and ARTISTS that way
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sentriz
but there is a user who posted they have their music tagged as ARTIST being the multi valued one (with no singular display version) and they did so as given an an example on the vorbis docs https://xiph.org/vorbis/doc/v-comment.html
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sentriz
at the bottom of the doc they show ARTIST as multi valued. so its kinda confusing
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sentriz
but separating them they way beets/picard does makes way more sense since both tags have different and useful information
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mcsudds
Hello, I just set up my account for the first time. Does the Spotify integration only record listens that happen after account setup? I don't see anything popping up under my listening history, and just want to make sure I did everything correctly. I also recognize it might just take time for things to update, and I might just need to chill out lol
