#musicbrainz

hey, what's the deal with left and right quotes, vs unhanded quotes?

i was just doing fighting with beets and i saw that it wanted to tag stuff with handed single quotes.

how does picard translate %title$ to a file name if it has handed quotes in it?

i looked and I have 13 right single quotes in my library on 60k songs, so picard's saving as ' ?

(that should be e.g., %title% & strike doing in front of fighting with beets)

the one thing that might be notable

ascii does not contain curly quotes

not sure if that's a factor

but you would have to go to unicode to use htem

so not sure what the MB rules might be/are, but I would personally lean toward straight quotes for maximum compatibility

<06julian45> "Use of basic ASCII punctuation characters such as ' and " is allowed, but typographically-correct punctuation (such as ’ for the English apostrophe) is preferred." (https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Miscellaneous)

interesting

you're not going to see me entering typographically-correct 's

anyway, not the question.

what does picard do about them?

well, it was part of the question...

im not sure

compatibility is a legit concern but

julian45, there's not a bot that goes through and changes them is there?

given anime's tendency to have weird shit like hearts in titles, picard probably supports unicode

<06julian45> not that i know of

<06julian45> and yes picard definitely supports unicode

so yeah, it probably just works either way

<06julian45> speaking as someone who has put through lots of japanese titles and also funky punctuation through it

also depending on your interface and engine, it might not even matter

engine? i meant to say font

how did i do that XD

I'm not at all happy having to deal with 'Khruangbin -- เครื่องบิน (2011)' on the command line, however... it's a bit different then throwing in handed 's for aesthetic reasons.

...my irc client needs to get unicode support

what happens with the tags is largely irrelevant since i almost never deal with tags on the cli or need to enter handed quotes in the gui... however, if picard puts them in the file names, then i need to get a naming script or something to comb through my tagged/outgoing directory to convert them back.

<06julian45> iconoclast_hero: the release group for that EP has some romanized versions: https://musicbrainz.org/release-group/eb7e83d8-...

Picard will tag it with curly’s, if they are in the database

There is a Picard plugin (maybe even a couple) to replace all that stuff with generics

<06julian45> whether picard renames your files is entirely up to you, and you can even turn that part completely off if you want

Most curlies will be added using the guess ‘Guess Unicode Punctuation’, I assume: https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Guides/Userscripts

*‘Guess Unicode Punctuation’ userscript

That’s what I use, it is very good :)

<06julian45> personally i have my picard installation add tags, but leave filenames alone, and then i use my player/library manager to handle file renaming later if i want to

i have replace non-ascii off and windows compat off.

$replacemulti(name,search,replace[,separator])

`$replacemulti(%mypath%,’,')`

?

and just go through the other 4 in the naming script?

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I don’t know script stuff off the top of my head, but should be the way!

I’m still waking up, just saw you’re only concerned with file names. I’m actually not sure if Picard puts curlies in those. I’ll look for a release to check (if nobody gets there first)

oh...

because that didn't work.

i'm not 100% on what replacemulti does since it has setmulti first and I'm just cleaning my entire path of the handed quotes.

i haven't broken my naming script yet, so that's good.

I just double checked running an album with a curly through Picard, and the filename seems to just use the standard '

So your filenames may be coming from elsewhere

w00t i think i fixed the asian script problem in hexchat

actually, my question was...

i looked and I have 13 right single quotes in my library on 60k songs, so picard's saving as ' ?

so i was just making sure that was the case. those 13?

probably bootlegs i haven't checked in

Gotcha! Sorry if I misled you

np

hm

interesting

i just don't want to e.g., activate beets and then have all these handed quotes everywhere

ntfs does support unicode so it shouldnt be windows doing it to you

Those accursed bootlegs that really aren’t valid for addition to MB. The blight of my library

out of curiosity, can you rename the file using a handed quote?

like, manually

8 of the 13 are from youtube-dl, 1's a text file, and there are a couple of others...

if you're asking about me, that library's on btrfs.

i think btrfs supports unicode

i got to hand it to that scripting language, i hate using it, but every time I want to do something, I manage to accomplish it.

its always fun to get stuff done like that

one of my big problems with music is badly defined files, or converting types

i wrote some powershell command modules to wrap ffmpeg for that, and recently set it up to be parallelized

Erin: here's my solution for that, though there's some info at the bottom to look at in the future

oh you made that way more complicated than mine

oh wait is this several

well, it started out smaller and then i was over at #bash and we just *had* to have a breakout function to catch ^C

my scripts just wrap basic ffmpeg calls

it's mostly for converting [indexed m4b] audiobooks to indexed opus audiobooks running the pieces through in parallel.

if i have to i cut the book into thread number of pieces.

ah

yeah

bulk flac to mp3 is easy cause ffmpeg can just do that

but that's how the parallel was done since ffmpeg doesn't thread audio conversion.

ah

in powershell, you can do a ForEach-Object with a -Parallel flag

so powershell owns the parallelization for you

if you look at my code, i rely on ffmpeg -n to let thread number of ffmpegs race.