<12Aerozol> The Discord has way more 'casual' chatter. If you are interested in the dev side of MeB then that's all on IRC (but we do have that bridged to Discord, apart from the BookBrainz channel - coming soon?)
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kepstin
hmm. i guess the downside of specialized channels over on discord is that people here on irc won't be able to participate in any on topic musicbrainz discussions that happened to be in a specialized channel :/
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derwin
also Discord is a walled garden which could turn you off at any moment
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tarulia
Hellooooo, I'll ask here because I don't really know what to search for on the bugtracker... When I open an already tagged track/album in Picard and it finds a different cover art (via fanart.tv in my case), it shows the files as "excellent match" instead of the "no changes" green checkmark. So far so good because it *would* change something. However, if I then choose "Keep Original Cover Art" (and there are no other changes
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tarulia
to the tags), it doesn't go back to the green checkmark. It stays on the "Excellent match". Is that a known issue? It's been happening since.. well, forever, I just never bothered asking
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tarulia
Also while we're on the issue of Cover Arts: When a track already has embedded cover art and no Cover Art Provider is enabled in the settings, it nukes the embedded art on saving, but nowhere does it indicate that. It shows the art so one would assume it would leave it alone.
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tarulia
oh actually it seems the second one is just a display bug, it doesn't show in the UI but ffprobe still shows it and reloading the Album also shows it again.. my bad D:
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derwin
tarulia: you are asking in an ok place :)
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tarulia
@derwin I knew it was the right place, but usually I search the bugtracker first - just didn't know what to search for tbh :'D I opened an issue now after searching for cover art came up empty
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ApeKattQuest
[03:26] <kepstin> hmm. i guess the downside of specialized channels over on discord is that people here on irc won't be able to participate in any on topic musicbrainz discussions that happened to be in a specialized channel :/
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ApeKattQuest
this, and I also don't see how spreading it all out is good tbh
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atj
if you want to foster and grow the community then you need to provide platforms that people actually want to use
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atj
people who grew up in the smartphone era find irc to be archaic and overly complex
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atj
you can argue about the technical and moral issues with proprietary protocols until the cows come home but it isn't going to persuade most people to use what they consider to be a worse service
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tarulia
People that grew up in the smartphone era don't even know IRC exists :P
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atj
and why should they?
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kellnerd
I had never heard of IRC before MetaBrainz to be honest
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tarulia
not saying they should :D
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atj
tarulia: i know!
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tarulia
time to go back on the BBS
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atj
sorry, it was more of a general comment
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tarulia
no worries, so was mine :D
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atj
matrix seems like the most feasible IRC replacement from a non-proprietary PoV
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tarulia
Yeah that's what I see used most in the Open Source space (if they're not on Discord)
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Sciencentistguy
yeah tbh i only use irc for either this channel or asking help for things
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Sciencentistguy
although i am in a number of communities that mirror across discord, irc, and sometimes others
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Sciencentistguy
matrix is unfortunately quite poorly implemented imo
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atj
it's getting better to be fair
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atj
sadly it all seems to be being funded by one organisation though
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mr44er[m]
<atj> "matrix seems like the most..." <- full ack
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discordbrainz
<05rustynova> > "this, and I also don't see how spreading it all out is good tbh" I do find it neat to have organised channels. It allows to keep questions to one place, or vote requests to another, so that peoples don't step on each other while talking. As for IRC people not being able to participate, true, that's an issue. But it's kinda the same as saying discord people cannot directly participate on Reddit. It's just two
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discordbrainz
different places. And if you really want to participate, come in directly :^) To be clear, I got nothing against the IRC. It's just two different things and both have their ups and downs
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atj
rustynova: i don't think anyone specifically has anything against IRC. it's just not a platform they are comfortable with.
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atj
i've seen lots of really great new editors who have become much more involved because there is a community on Discord
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mr44er[m]
matrix offers threaded ..uhm lets call it mini/split-up chats (without excluding or hiding anything). that's exactly for >It allows to keep questions to one place, or vote requests to another, so that peoples don't step on each other while talking
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tarulia
Discord does too but the admin needs to enable it per channel
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mr44er[m]
IRC isn't bad per se. maybe old, but it works. matrix (and discord) fill in some gaps with nice and shiny features IRC doesn't have. the option with bridges would allow slow migration, but doesn't force it.
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mr44er[m]
but maybe I don't get the point. this channel is bridged to matrix and discord, so no need to use IRC at all
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tarulia
I didn't know about the Discord bridge until earlier and I don't have a Matrix account so I just popped on here because that's what I always did lol
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mr44er[m]
hehe
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Nick90
hello hows everyone doing on here.......im an arrtist is there a social media manager around?
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reosarevok
We're a music database, not a general music channel - so I expect not :)
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Nick90
i know of this my ? is how to get the right data info as the same to all platforms in order to be recognized from here.
<05rustynova> I'd even say, it's best to do it yourself as artists know the most info about their own works. And unlike Wikipedia, you can edit your own entries freely
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discordbrainz
<02UltimateRiff> <atj> "people who grew up in the smartphone era find irc to be archaic and overly complex" that's me, I am people, lol
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discordbrainz
<02UltimateRiff> (granted, I guess I'm early smartphone era, as my first phone in high school was a flip phone)
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sentriz
hm, how do we handle a digital release from a streaming service, where the original date predates the streaming service provider?
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sentriz
for example a release from 2001 which i only see on apple music and 12" vinyl
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sentriz
(there was never a CD or anything)
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discordbrainz
<02UltimateRiff> sentriz: in general, it's probably best to leave the date field empty for a case like that, although I've found that sometimes you can get an actual release date from Deezer
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discordbrainz
<02UltimateRiff> (or at least what appears to be an accurate date)
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sentriz
> although I've found that sometimes you can get an actual release date from Deezer
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sentriz
would that mean in my case a release Digital Media from 2001?
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sentriz
since Apple Music says copyright <label> 2001
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discordbrainz
<02UltimateRiff> when was the vinyl released?
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mr44er[m]
questionable dates are mostly the CD-release date on streaming platforms
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discordbrainz
<02UltimateRiff> in general, I don't trust Apple Music and Spotify metadata any farther than I can throw, lol
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mr44er[m]
next thing to compare would be vinyl, in this case...yeah 🙂
<02UltimateRiff> (ah, I missed that this was apparently only released on Apple Music...) I'd probably leave the release date blank. you can add the copyright dates in the relationships, in this case to Sub Static Records
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sentriz
okay so no date for the digital release in this case
