Picard: "Feat. Artists in Titles" plugin moves "featured" artists but not "with" artists.
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iconoclasthero
1. is there a more comprehensive plugin f/this?
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iconoclasthero
2. i believe i saw something that tries to normalize the "featured"/"with"/etc. designations, is that the best workaround?
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outsidecontext[m
iconoclasthero: that plugin is one of the very simple ones. You could tweak the regular expression used for matching the featuring to also include with, see https://github.com/metabrainz/picard-plugins/blob…
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outsidecontext[m
Or you use scripting. What the plugin does can also be done with scripting
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outsidecontext[m
why?
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iconoclasthero[m
this is such an insoluble problem.
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iconoclasthero[m
well, for all i know it could have been you who told me putting artists in track titles is "bad"
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iconoclasthero[m
and i cannot figure out how to deal with them.
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iconoclasthero[m
and obviously everyone has some sort of similar problem around this otherwise there wouldn't be all these various workarounds.
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iconoclasthero[m
i'm trying to avoid this:
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outsidecontext[m
I don't think I said this. If you prefer it in the track title it is fine. You just shouldn't put it in the track title for data you submit to MB
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iconoclasthero[m
it was a couple years ago.
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iconoclasthero[m
anyway...
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iconoclasthero[m
if you look at the left pane, the problem is that when i have unusually long names because of featured artists, it messes things up.
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iconoclasthero[m
this is an e.g., but the problem is across various things.
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iconoclasthero[m
putting the info in the artist means i have a million artists depending on how i sort...
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iconoclasthero[m
i was thinking about removing it from both and just relying on tags.
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iconoclasthero[m
i actually went and truncated a pink floyd track title because it was too long.
<05cheekychoccy> I remember making a tagger script to move more variations of feat. to the title with some regex so it's definitely doable, I don't think I still have mine though since I stopped doing that
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iconoclasthero
at some point i stopped caring and failed to notice the renaming plugin wasn't there anymore.
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atj[m]
<iconoclasthero[m> "well, for all i know it could..." <- i'll tell you it now for free if you want
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atj[m]
because yes it is bad
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iconoclasthero[m
atj[m]: i'm deeply ambivalent about where to stick them.
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atj[m]
it feels like you should probably just ignore them? the value of featuring artists being properly credited as artists is so they can be referenced and indexed
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outsidecontext[m
iconoclasthero: here are two Picard scripts, one to move featuring from artist to title and one to remove it from both artist and title. The matching patterns also considers "with". https://gist.github.com/phw/7ff4ab97252b4f2488110…
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atj[m]
but you didn't seem to see that as a benefit
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iconoclasthero[m
atj[m]: the value of featured artists being properly credited is so that when I go back and listen to a TTB show from the 2016 Jazz fest, I can know, if I look at the song, that e.g., SRV's brother played a particular song with them.
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iconoclasthero[m
capturing that information is of value to me.
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atj[m]
so we agree :)
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iconoclasthero[m
the ambivalence comes from the fact that i don't necessaily want to see that information when I'm looking at large views of the library.
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iconoclasthero[m
* i don't ~~necessaily, * necessaily~~, * normally want to
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iconoclasthero[m
* i don't ~necessaily, * necessaily~, * normally want to
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iconoclasthero[m
s/necessaily/normally/
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atj[m]
i think most media players don't handle featuring artists very well, but then the tagging situation isn't great
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iconoclasthero[m
there's a warren haynes benefit concert series and he's got a bunch of bands and whatnot so there are titles like
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iconoclasthero[m
`'02-11 - Gov'\''t Mule with Larry McCray, Derek Trucks, Jason Patterson, Yonrico Scott, & Johnny Neel -- It Hurts Me Too.mp3'`
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iconoclasthero[m
`'02-12 - Gov'\''t Mule -- Merry Christmas Baby (feat. Little Milton, Susan Tedeschi, Derek Trucks & Johnny Neel).mp3'`
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iconoclasthero[m
which is what got me exercised about this today.
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iconoclasthero[m
i think maybe what would work for me is to start using albumartist for the filenaming pattern and leave the artists there.
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iconoclasthero[m
file names would end up normal and i'd have that info in the artist tags.
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iconoclasthero[m
inre media players...i use mpd and the front end that looks at them is custom.
are the tags are written such that the primary artist is always the first in the listing of artist mbids e.g., for 02-11 Gov't Mule's the first artist ID. Is that fixed?
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iconoclasthero[m
s/are//
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iconoclasthero[m
MusicBrainz Artist Id : f8796712-19fd-49ca-9cc7-99c30215b3cd/09c635be-c8e8-4f89-94bf-05c66b8144a1/954a45e0-5e21-44ae-8d56-44b79b4f1cb3/43c9b1d1-f76a-4303-a0d5-f6e7235febcc/98a9cd76-93bd-4643-9713-7423b5925523/890c46a6-0a48-4a6c-a2a4-4414d78f85bc
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iconoclasthero[m
i have something significantly more usable, i'm just trying to figure out a way to trick out "Various Artists" to the primary track artist.
you mean like script a "Primary artist" tag for VA releases?
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BobSwift[m]
I mean like extracting a primary artist for an album (or track).
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iconoclasthero[m
<BobSwift[m]> "I mean like extracting a primary..." <- and save it to a metadata tag?
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BobSwift[m]
Yup. The plugin creates a whole bunch of artist related script variables.
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iconoclasthero[m
that's the line I was thinking along. the issue with resorting to metadata mpd doesn't store is that I'll need another (probably costly) fork to get the info from the metadata of each song.
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iconoclasthero[m
I'm thinking of some logic in awk/my bash script that will check for VA as the albumartist and pull from a non-printing %artist% field returned by mpc, stripping everything that could be interpreted as "with" and "feat" artists....
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iconoclasthero[m
though the mpd protocol itself stores a few mbtags.
if it is interesting to anyone, it seems that it takes about 35% longer to pull the mb artist id from mutagen and then get the name from the api than just the latter (i.e., if i engage the mpd protocol instead of using mpc and return the mb artist ids that way)... (full message at <https://matrix.chatbrainz.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/chatbrainz.org/cblDoubsjHtVedqGmnXSTCMQ>)
