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4:07 AM
Erin
has anyone ever run into picard putting data in the id3 tags that says, in the total tracks, "X/X" instead of just "X"?
2024-08-12 22536, 2024
4:07 AM
Erin
the data from the site/api seems to say, for example, 26, but picard writes in "26/26"
2024-08-12 22554, 2024
4:07 AM
Erin
so if i save something in it and then immediately load it back in, it flags as not fully matched
2024-08-12 22502, 2024
4:09 AM
Erin
im going to try updating in a bit, to see if that helps, but otherwise, i have no ideas
2024-08-12 22544, 2024
4:11 AM
lw
Erin: what do you mean by "total tracks"? there is no such field in ID3 as far as i know, total tracks is indicated by X/X in the "track" (TRCK) field
2024-08-12 22528, 2024
4:12 AM
lw
(unlike e.g. Vorbis where total tracks is sometimes stored as TOTALTRACKS)
2024-08-12 22521, 2024
4:13 AM
Erin
2024-08-12 22535, 2024
4:13 AM
Erin
left is what was saved
2024-08-12 22542, 2024
4:13 AM
Erin
right is what picard brings back from the site
2024-08-12 22550, 2024
4:13 AM
Erin
this is post save and reload
2024-08-12 22525, 2024
4:14 AM
lw
do you happen to have 'soxi' installed? (this is part of 'sox' package on most Unix systems) - if so, the output of 'soxi <file>.mp3' might be helpful
2024-08-12 22535, 2024
4:14 AM
Erin
i havent added anything and this is windows 10
2024-08-12 22526, 2024
4:15 AM
lw
could you upload one of the MP3s form the album somewhere?
2024-08-12 22544, 2024
4:15 AM
lw
i don't know if there's an easy way to get raw ID3 tags on Windows...
2024-08-12 22513, 2024
4:16 AM
Erin
im looking at the spec right now tos ee what's up
2024-08-12 22512, 2024
4:17 AM
Erin
i "think" total tracks was an id3v2.4 addition
2024-08-12 22514, 2024
4:17 AM
lw
i am leaning towards this being a Picard issue fwiw, not that it's writing wrong data to tag but it's somehow interpreting the existing tags wrongly
2024-08-12 22529, 2024
4:17 AM
Erin
well it sorta isnt writing the wrong "tag" so much as the wrong content
2024-08-12 22535, 2024
4:17 AM
lw
2024-08-12 22538, 2024
4:17 AM
Erin
the tag is clearly represented on both sides
2024-08-12 22552, 2024
4:17 AM
lw
there is TRCK frame with "X/Y" (where Y is total tracks") but there's no separate field for total tracks
2024-08-12 22555, 2024
4:17 AM
Erin
its just that whatever the site/api sent, that's not what picard put in the field
2024-08-12 22504, 2024
4:20 AM
Erin
im not seeing it there either
2024-08-12 22511, 2024
4:20 AM
Erin
but not 100% sure what the deal is
2024-08-12 22515, 2024
4:20 AM
Erin
picard recognizes it
2024-08-12 22518, 2024
4:20 AM
Erin
these /are/ mp3 files
2024-08-12 22531, 2024
4:25 AM
Erin
...wait ... is picard acting in flac mode for mp3 tagging?
2024-08-12 22538, 2024
4:25 AM
Erin
...is total tracks a flac thing?
2024-08-12 22504, 2024
4:26 AM
Erin
that would explain a lot
2024-08-12 22549, 2024
4:27 AM
lw
there is a totaltracks/tracktotal field sometimes used in Vorbis (FLAC) tags, yes
2024-08-12 22507, 2024
4:28 AM
lw
but it's not possible to write that to an ID3 tag unless it was using a TXXX field, which seems unlikely
2024-08-12 22513, 2024
4:29 AM
lw
(that's why i asked for soxi output or a copy of the file, to see what it's actually writing to the mp3)
2024-08-12 22542, 2024
4:29 AM
Erin
hm
2024-08-12 22545, 2024
4:29 AM
lw
i don't use MP3 myself so i don't know what it normally does here
2024-08-12 22547, 2024
4:29 AM
Erin
checking in a tool i do have
2024-08-12 22554, 2024
4:29 AM
Erin
it looks like it's written in extended stuff
2024-08-12 22512, 2024
4:30 AM
lw
it probably writes a lot of TXXX tags for the release id and other mb-specific stuff
2024-08-12 22530, 2024
4:30 AM
lw
as those aren't defined in ID3
2024-08-12 22538, 2024
4:30 AM
Erin
...hmm but what mp3tag is showing me isn't what picard is showing me
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4:30 AM
Erin
i think picard is confused about extended stuff it wrote
2024-08-12 22511, 2024
4:31 AM
lw
did it write an extended tag for total tracks though? i would find that surprising
2024-08-12 22529, 2024
4:31 AM
Erin
yeah
2024-08-12 22537, 2024
4:31 AM
Erin
but what it wrote is /actually/ 26
2024-08-12 22545, 2024
4:31 AM
Erin
so it's simply "displaying" 26/26 for some reason
2024-08-12 22500, 2024
4:32 AM
Erin
the actual track tag says 2/26, but that's .... valid
2024-08-12 22516, 2024
4:32 AM
Erin
but also, it definitely writes them either way, cause that's where all the musicbrainz tags go
2024-08-12 22558, 2024
4:32 AM
Erin
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4:33 AM
Erin
what's really weird though is that ive seen it before, but it's usually all the files in an album, or none
2024-08-12 22535, 2024
4:33 AM
Erin
this time, it's a few random ones
2024-08-12 22550, 2024
4:34 AM
Erin
it's also interesting that picard doesn't write he year tag, seeming to prefer a couple custom fields in the extended section
2024-08-12 22540, 2024
4:36 AM
lw
it should write the year as TDOR for the oldest release in the group and TDRL as the release date... if it doesn't that seems like a bug
2024-08-12 22506, 2024
4:37 AM
Erin
it seems to write custom fields called ORIGINALYEAR and ORIGYEAR
2024-08-12 22552, 2024
4:37 AM
lw
(when i say 'should' i just mean that would be the correct behaviour, like i say i don't use mp3 so i'm not sure what it actually does)
2024-08-12 22559, 2024
4:37 AM
Erin
right
2024-08-12 22508, 2024
4:38 AM
Erin
personally i would have thought it should do that too
2024-08-12 22515, 2024
4:38 AM
Erin
.....actually frankly, i thought it _did_
2024-08-12 22519, 2024
4:38 AM
Erin
never thought to check until now
2024-08-12 22538, 2024
4:38 AM
lw
does it not write TDRL at all? that would be odd as surely mp3 players expect that
2024-08-12 22512, 2024
4:39 AM
lw
i do have some mp3s lying around, maybe i should load them into picard and see what it does
2024-08-12 22504, 2024
4:40 AM
Erin
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4:41 AM
Erin
winamp id3 viewer shows me the same blanks for year, publisher, original artist, copyright
2024-08-12 22533, 2024
4:41 AM
Erin
which all seem like things we could have filled out
2024-08-12 22503, 2024
4:42 AM
Erin
maybe i really do have to update
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4:43 AM
lw
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4:43 AM
Erin
i wonder if it's something to do with file histories
2024-08-12 22500, 2024
4:44 AM
lw
ah wait no it did
2024-08-12 22505, 2024
4:44 AM
lw
let's see what happens when i save it
2024-08-12 22507, 2024
4:44 AM
Erin
it also doesn't happen for me all the time
2024-08-12 22514, 2024
4:44 AM
Erin
or at least if it does, it does it without the x/x thing
2024-08-12 22516, 2024
4:44 AM
Erin
it did?
2024-08-12 22522, 2024
4:44 AM
Erin
if you save and reload, it appears?
2024-08-12 22526, 2024
4:44 AM
lw
it did, i just missed it looking at the screenshot :-)
2024-08-12 22538, 2024
4:44 AM
Erin
oh, i see it now
2024-08-12 22541, 2024
4:44 AM
lw
so i saved it, let's try reloading it
2024-08-12 22542, 2024
4:44 AM
Erin
right
2024-08-12 22547, 2024
4:44 AM
Erin
it ssomewhere else in yours vs mine
2024-08-12 22509, 2024
4:45 AM
Erin
ah i think my tag names are listed alphabetically?
2024-08-12 22511, 2024
4:45 AM
Erin
anyway ...
2024-08-12 22513, 2024
4:45 AM
lw
when i reload the saves file it shows it as a normal (not green, not yellow) field
2024-08-12 22520, 2024
4:45 AM
Erin
yeah, that's good
2024-08-12 22529, 2024
4:45 AM
Erin
and to be clear, 98% of the time, that's what happens
2024-08-12 22549, 2024
4:45 AM
Erin
it's the few occasions where i save and reload something, it shows me the x / x thing
2024-08-12 22555, 2024
4:45 AM
Erin
and indicates a difference at the same time
2024-08-12 22527, 2024
4:46 AM
Erin
now, having examined this in mp3tag, it's even weirder, what with the extended stuff not actually having that
2024-08-12 22505, 2024
4:47 AM
Erin
begging the question, how has it come to show me 26/26 in total tracks, when what it wrote was .... not that?
2024-08-12 22516, 2024
4:47 AM
Erin
or more importantly, when what it read was not that?
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4:47 AM
Erin
definitely gotta update, now
2024-08-12 22534, 2024
4:47 AM
Erin
im curious
2024-08-12 22544, 2024
4:47 AM
Erin
i just gotta clear though what im working on and then do it
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4:49 AM
lw
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4:50 AM
lw
it does list both ORIGYEAR and ORIGINALYEAR which is a bit odd, i wonder what tags it takes that from
2024-08-12 22535, 2024
4:50 AM
Erin
that almost certainly has to be the mb api
2024-08-12 22542, 2024
4:50 AM
Erin
or a picard internal thing
2024-08-12 22535, 2024
4:51 AM
Erin
that includes you saving after the last screenshot?
2024-08-12 22540, 2024
4:51 AM
Erin
i mean, i assume so since i see mb custom tags
2024-08-12 22552, 2024
4:51 AM
lw
yeah, the last screenshot is after saving in Picard and opening the mp3 in mp3tag
2024-08-12 22555, 2024
4:51 AM
Erin
but im just ... sort of at a loss
2024-08-12 22511, 2024
4:52 AM
Erin
....see im a software engineer, and this makes me want to open the code up now XD
2024-08-12 22519, 2024
4:53 AM
Erin
i grabbed a file that didnt have the reload issue in picard and it does still show in mp3tag as having that field
2024-08-12 22527, 2024
4:53 AM
Erin
so yeah, no idea
2024-08-12 22526, 2024
4:54 AM
lw
hard to believe that mp3 has been in common use for about 30 years at this point and we're still messing with this
2024-08-12 22533, 2024
4:54 AM
Erin
XD
2024-08-12 22538, 2024
4:54 AM
Erin
it never ends
2024-08-12 22545, 2024
4:54 AM
Erin
mp3 tags are like javascript
2024-08-12 22547, 2024
4:54 AM
lw
(not that Vorbis comments are any better, they can't even agree on what to call the subsubtitle tag)
2024-08-12 22550, 2024
4:54 AM
Erin
they weren't meant for this
2024-08-12 22554, 2024
4:54 AM
Erin
they were never meant for this
2024-08-12 22501, 2024
4:55 AM
lw
s/subsubtitle/setsubtitle
2024-08-12 22502, 2024
4:55 AM
Erin
..............but they were there, and we needed "something" XD
2024-08-12 22523, 2024
4:55 AM
Erin
and they got abused and added onto until they became weird
2024-08-12 22539, 2024
4:55 AM
Erin
but iwth this being in extended, iw ouldn't even blame this on mp3
2024-08-12 22543, 2024
4:55 AM
Erin
i would p ut it on MB or picard
2024-08-12 22521, 2024
4:56 AM
lw
i'm pretty sure it's not mb as the database knows nothing about mp3/id3v2, but it could well be a picard bug
2024-08-12 22556, 2024
4:56 AM
Erin
i assume the database just knows the info in general
2024-08-12 22559, 2024
4:56 AM
Erin
and the api just returns it
2024-08-12 22504, 2024
4:57 AM
Erin
and picard just writes it
2024-08-12 22515, 2024
4:57 AM
lw
yeah, picard is what turns the generic api info into id3 frames
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4:57 AM
Erin
what's even weirder is that the badness doesn't show up in mp3tag
2024-08-12 22553, 2024
4:57 AM
Erin
somehow, it wrote 26 into the field, but it reads 26/26
2024-08-12 22556, 2024
4:57 AM
Erin
and i dont know how
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5:03 AM
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5:08 AM
discordbrainz
<11muxxer.exe> Do you guys think that a GamesBrainz is viable?
2024-08-12 22505, 2024
5:11 AM
lw
sure
2024-08-12 22524, 2024
5:11 AM
lw
i don't know if i'd actually use it, but there's loads of metadata people could enter there if they wanted to
2024-08-12 22559, 2024
5:13 AM
discordbrainz
<11muxxer.exe> I'd like to try and make such a system, specially given that there is no proper videogame database that is of easy access and to which people can contribute freely.
