and compilers, whenever the fuck, depending on which
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Erin
but also, to whatever degree of quality or agreement, for a while
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lw
pre-C++98 templates were still useful though, that's what the STL was written against
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lw
which ended up being integrated into C++98 because it was so useful
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Erin
it sounds like templates of any actual seriousness came in c++ 11
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Erin
from what i can find
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lw
no, completely false
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lw
if you want to argue useful templates first appeared in C++98 i'd accept that
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lw
but C++11's templates were just a refinement of what was in C++98
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lw
(i don't actually agree that useful templates first appeared in C++98, but the 98 standard *did* make such huge changes to templates that i could accept pre-98 templates weren't the same thing)
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lw
the only thing C++98 fucked up was the 'export' keyword, which was finally fixed in C++20 with modules
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Erin
that seems like a long time
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Erin
but then apparently amazon is still selling a book on the subject from 2002
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lw
well no, what actually happened is 'export' was defined in C++98, no one implemented it, then in like C++11 or maybe C++03 they removed the wording for the keyword on the basis that no one implemented it
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lw
but that was a niche feature that had no impact on how people actually used templates
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Erin
fun
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Erin
meanwhile i'm currently whining that c# doesn't have higher kind stuff
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Erin
cause i want to write something that adds on to/wraps the Action/Func stuff for .... reasons
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Erin
but those are defined with 17 variants each, because generics
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Erin
0 params, 1 param, 2 param ... etc
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Erin
T.T
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Erin
why can't i just be lazy
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lw
i don't see why C# couldn't add variadic generics, they just decided not to for some reason. it is weird.
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lw
similar to how F# doesn't have typeclasses which makes it much less useful than it should be
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Erin
yeahhhh
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Erin
basically i just want something that works syntactically, like LINQ, but manages stuff like retry logic, success and failure info, errors, etc
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Erin
so that i can just say "run this until it works, or <max> times"
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Erin
or something like var x = new Thingy((int x) => { blah }).Retry().Times(5).Run();
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Erin
but because that wraps them i have to define everything based on the varying numbers of generic params and returns
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lw
can't you just add new extensions methods if you want to do that?
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Erin
nope =^.^=
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Erin
i tried
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Erin
they're sealed
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Erin
T.T
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Erin
and evne then, you're doing less, but y ou're still kind of doing it
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Erin
an extension version with variants for each type
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Erin
plus the record keeping
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Erin
like, what if you want to know how many failures happened before the success? what if you want to do extra stuff
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Erin
so you need to fully inherit the class
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Erin
and that is also no bueno
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Erin
so i'm stuck writing a class that simply has a variable of type Func or of type Action
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Erin
and then i have to do the interface based language stuff
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Erin
which is a whole thing
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Erin
oh and interfaces have to agree with classes, so they have all the variations again ... yayyyy
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Erin
but symantic interfaces are nice so ... worth it maybe?
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Erin
er, semantic
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Erin
anyway, it is bed time now o/
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discordbrainz
<11muxxer.exe> Anyway, if anyone's interested in starting a GamesBrainz, that'd be great.
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discordbrainz
<11muxxer.exe> A TabletopBrainz would also be cool tbh lol
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discordbrainz
<11muxxer.exe> InstrumentsBrainz, too.
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discordbrainz
<11muxxer.exe> Hell, fucking CarsBrainz, or even RadioBrainz
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ahvalmissaamine
lw> i actually think MB should say "Gibson Les Paul 1958" if that's what the credits say or there's a realiable source for it indded, instruments havecredits just for this
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ahvalmissaamine
discordbrainz> <muxxer.exe> InstrumentsBrainz, too. 😤 we havethat!!!!!!
ok actually no, i see the 'recording artist' is set correctly, but it still shows Joss Whedon as the artist for every track? where is it taking that from?
this makes no sense to me. if Tanya Tucker or Chuck Berry sings a song that someone else wrote, we list Tanya or Chuck as the artist.
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lw
why would it be different for classical vs pop?
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lw
the example i linked from 'Crazy Ex-Girlfriend' seems a lot more sensible to me
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lw
following the classical model, most of those tracks should be credited to Adam Schlesinger which makes no sense, and is not how either the CDs or digital downloads are credited
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lw
crism: wouldn't this mean that the artist on any Altan or Dubliners album should be "[traditional]" for almost every track?
2024-08-12 22556, 2024
lw
that doesn't make sense! this is a bad way of doing a thing
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discordbrainz
<12lazybookwyrm> Those wouldn't be considered classical releases
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lw
no, but why is it different for classical releases?
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lw
well, i guess i don't really care about classical music so if people want to list JS Bach as the recording artist on every track of a Hilary Hahn album i guess that's fine :-)
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lw
but we should really not do this for musical theatre, no one credits musical albums like this
but as i said, i don't really care about classical music releases and i think a lot of stuff there is stupid so i just ignore it
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lw
but these releases are musical theatre and in that genre there is a clear trend of crediting the artists who sing on each track, not the songwriter
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discordbrainz
<12lazybookwyrm> I mean we still do credit the perform on classical releases, it's just structured as "composer; performer" at release level, composer at track level, performer at recording level.
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discordbrainz
<12lazybookwyrm> Musical theatre I don't really have an argument for, haven't done much with that. Mainly just done a ton of classical entries
<12lazybookwyrm> Also, the fake series/Alfred Scholz release is super common lol, so many budget classical releases back in the day
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lw
i have to say the few classical albums i own clearly list the performing artists on the cover, e.g. the Academy of Ancient Music recordings of Vivaldi, where the artist is *incredibly* important to the releases
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lw
or Hilary Hahn's album of Bach, which is frankly terrible and i would never pay money for that, so having her name on the album art (which it is) is also important
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lw
like, who goes into a record store and says "hey, i want a recording of the Bach double violin concerto and i don't care who recorded it"? literally no one does that.
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lw
this is stupid. :-(
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discordbrainz
<05rustynova> Is there any way to search for a deleted MBID? Someone deleted an MBID that got mapped to a listen and now I'm wondering what it is
