if im adding a compilation with a lot of new artists, i can just add them right?
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afrocat_0[m]
yeah just make sure you search for them before adding a new artist
recordings also
compilations are like the number 1 way artists and recordings get duplicates
duckfromdisc[m]
i did
and yeah i can see why
wait if youre having an artist with two separate aliases that's one Person right?
like an alias in the literal sense. for example "telepath" and "Virtual Dream Plaza" are both one person
afrocat_0[m]
two separate aliases that release different music get separate pages + a link back to the legal name page of the artist, so the artist "performs as" both of them
if the artist just changed their name but the discography is the same, then a single page using aliases is fine for both names
In those cases standards is to use the "performs as" relationships that afro mentioned and just use the main or most popular alias as the one you link the others to
- create main artist name as "Person" (already done) and link it to bandcamp [done]
- create a second one as second artist name and have it "performs as" main artist
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so theyre separate artist uuids and both "person" but one has a performs as as the other?
lazybookwyrm[m]
Yeah, if they're separate projects then you keep them as separate artists
duckfromdisc[m]
but both are 'person'?
lazybookwyrm[m]
yeah, the type is just who's behind the artist (with the exception of characters)
duckfromdisc[m]
do u guys generally put in an edit note 'i know this relationship exists because the artist told me'
cause thats literally what happened
lazybookwyrm[m]
Yeah, that's fine as an edit note
duckfromdisc[m]
fr?
alr i wasnt sure if that was like acceptable
im in a compilation and i just asked what everyones bandcamps are lol (usually theyre listed but that didnt happen here ig)
lazybookwyrm[m]
I normally just put "from my copy" when I'm adding a lot of CDs. It's enough info that people know you should be ok to believe lol
* of CDs that aren't on mb. It's
Any info is better than none. It's the edits from like 8 years ago with no edit notes that I hate, the editor probably doesn't even remember anymore lol
When I'm doing edits from data online I just paste all the links I use
duckfromdisc[m]
i might've done it backwards
it's (secondary name) performs as (primary name) right?
JollyRgrs
lazybookwyrm[m]: lol, i feel better now
i keep using the same notes on my edits "from my copy, etc."
duckfromdisc[m]
do i have to do one that says "i found the person's discord account and checked their bio and found out this is their alias"
that sounds weird
and even though its the only time this alias has ever been used, 'artist as credited' won't really work because that's more for stylizations than a technically separate 'artist'
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im putting in WORK
aerozol[m]
Putting in great work
If it makes you feel better, sometimes I have to leave edit notes like "could not find any info on this artist"
For compilations. If I know the genre I'll add that to the disambiguation to be at least slightly helpful. If it's a NZ compilation sometimes stuff like "New Zealand? punk"
lazybookwyrm[m]
Also, annotations can be good for leaving notes for editors if you're not sure about stuff.
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duckfromdisc[m]
ooohhh
this may warrant a tribute album since it's got some remixes and some original but the idea is that it's a tribute to an artist
i also found out by accident that another artist on this compilation with me was also on ANOTHER one with me
* by accident (clicking their name in musicbrainz) that another
* i also found out by accident (clicking their name in musicbrainz) that another artist on this compilation with me was also on ANOTHER compilation with me
Really excellent work! Compilations are a pain (but can be satisfying if you like an excuse to add lots of stuff)
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duckfromdisc[m]
i had an excuse to make this not true anymore
(i said "i dont think ive had to create an artist yet" last week LOL)
aerozol[m]
In a big way!
Cool cover art. Are you going to add it or shall I :)
duckfromdisc[m]
you may if you'd like
ill find your edit and follow you
aerozol[m]
Two other small notes: I would apply guess case to the tracks âA Film Can Only Live In The Darkâ and âMutant Standard (Sunset Phase Remix)â
duckfromdisc[m]
what exactly is guess case?
aerozol[m]
The track called âchasingâ looks like obvious artist intent, to leave all lowercase
If you go to the tracklist editor there is a âguess caseâ button at the bottom right. There is also a little [Aa] button next to each track. Click and see! :)
duckfromdisc[m]
OOHH
this reminds me of my first question here when i was asking about tracker mix vs Tracker Mix
bandcamp had it written the way it was imported but i guess musicbrainz wants us to change the capitalization
(is that correct?)
aerozol[m]
In MusicBrainz we change/fix the capitalisation (when itâs written in English) to use Title Case. The exception is when itâs artist intent to use different caps
In other words, often stuff has incorrect caps because the artist doesnât know and doesnât care. Then we standardise it. Itâs a bit of a grey area, but that release is a good example. âchasingâ has the artist name in all lower case and it doesnât seem by accident that itâs lowercase, so we leave it
If you think thatâs dumb at least weâre not Discogs where they apply Camelcase On Ever Song Name No Matter What The Artist Did đĽ˛
JollyRgrs
yeah, i started my ripping project with "whoever has the data" and slowly started grumbling and sometimes taking the time to update MB even if it is in discogs
aerozol[m]
Managing to both piss off people who like artist intent AND people who like standardised english ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ
JollyRgrs
discogs also (doesn't) handle sub-credits to a song
aerozol[m]
Discogs is a gem of a resource but they arenât data nerd enough, for sure
duckfromdisc[m]
i have followed you aerozol
aerozol[m]
Nice one, feel free to unsubscribe if you get sick of a flood of Bandcamp imports which is more or less what I do (and itâs Bandcamp Friday soon!)
Thanks for updating the track casing, perfect. There is one more thing you can do if youâre not sick of editing that release yet
duckfromdisc[m]
couple minutes before i go to bed, what's up?
aerozol[m]
Now that youâve edited the tracklist you can edit the release, and go to the âRecordingsâ tab. Check the âUpdate the recording title to match the track title.â where relevant, and save :)
Itâs in no way obvious, but because MB disconnects tracklists from recording entities (which is also awesome for a bunch of reasons) when you edit the tracklist it doesnât automatically carry over
duckfromdisc[m]
done đ
aerozol[m]
đđđ
Sleep tight
JollyRgrs
aerozol[m]: i do love that. a lot easier to find what compilations the song might be on, or what artist's album a song is that you know know from a compilation
duckfromdisc[m]
yeah like i accidentally found out me and someone else on here were on another compilation
JollyRgrs
yeah, that's pretty cool
duckfromdisc[m]
by clicking on their artist name and seeing only one other.. wait a second why does it say "album + compilation"?
JollyRgrs
:)
i'm dreading my ripping journey. I'm about 560 CDs in out of roughly maybe 700... but the last 30-50 are "various artists"
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duckfromdisc[m]
oh jeez! shouldn't this have a secondary type of "compilation"?!
we missed that, oops
aerozol[m]
Donât worry, itâs normal to come back to make improvements later :D
560 CDs deep JollyRgrs, crazy big effort. Then itâs time to thrift shop more CDs haha