Should the two exist? Or are they effectively the same thing?
2025-03-27 08603, 2025
reosarevok[m]
(since adaptor says it's "the person who adapted a work to a script"
2025-03-27 08604, 2025
reosarevok[m]
)
2025-03-27 08650, 2025
kellnerd[m]
Good question. There are two main scenarios for audio drama scripts, those which are initially written in dialog form and those which are adapted from prose.
2025-03-27 08614, 2025
kellnerd[m]
Personally I can live with using the generic "writer" for prose and original audio drama works which are no adaptions, but having an explicit "script/dramatization" credit instead would also be nice.
2025-03-27 08653, 2025
kellnerd[m]
It probably has less potential to be misused than "adaptor", but I don't know if a "dramtization" rel is too specific, i.e. it can only be used on audio drama and theatre works but not for audiobook adaptions.
2025-03-27 08601, 2025
kellnerd[m]
s/dramtization/dramatization/
2025-03-27 08630, 2025
reosarevok[m]
I mean, it could be just named "script writer" and "script adaptor"
2025-03-27 08602, 2025
reosarevok[m]
I guess you could still use "script adaptor" for an audiobook
2025-03-27 08615, 2025
kellnerd[m]
It definitely makes sense to have both, but the term "script writer" might not be the most intuitive, would it also encompass authors of novels?
2025-03-27 08622, 2025
kellnerd[m]
i.e. will it be a replacement of the generic "writer" rel for works of type prose?
2025-03-27 08600, 2025
reosarevok[m]
I would hope not, because I still think "writer" is by far the best pick fo rthat
2025-03-27 08600, 2025
kellnerd[m]
I mean I wouldn't call the author of a novel a script writer, this only feels right for the author of an audio drama. But it's hard to justify why "script adaptor" can be used for prose works which were adapted (e.g. abridged) for an audiobook recording, but the similar sounding "script writer" can only be used for audio drama works.
2025-03-27 08644, 2025
reosarevok[m]
Well, I thought the idea is that someone adapting a book specifically for reading it out was basically turning it into a script 🤷
2025-03-27 08610, 2025
reosarevok[m]
But I can live with just "adapter" with some specific description / guidelines at first and seeing what happens
2025-03-27 08648, 2025
kellnerd[m]
That sounds like a plan
2025-03-27 08615, 2025
reosarevok[m]
So "script writer" for new scripts, "adapter" for adapted ones
2025-03-27 08633, 2025
reosarevok[m]
And "adaptation of" or just "based on"?
2025-03-27 08658, 2025
reosarevok[m]
I guess if we're adding adapter we might as well use also "adaptation of" and say they should ideally be used together
2025-03-27 08622, 2025
reosarevok[m]
"adaptation of" could also be used for operas that adapt books, maybe more precise than "based on" - possibly a sub-rel?
2025-03-27 08646, 2025
kellnerd[m]
I am fine with having "adaption of", so far I've used "based on" quite liberally (although its description says "isn't directly an arrangement of it")
2025-03-27 08613, 2025
reosarevok[m]
Yeah, I guess :) Ok, I'll look into it after lunch
2025-03-27 08636, 2025
reosarevok[m]
If you want to propose some description and/or guidelines I won't say no 😜
2025-03-27 08614, 2025
kellnerd[m]
By the way, is there any reason we don't have a simple "author" relationship which could be used for all literary works? yindesu has a point that the current "writer" rel is both a catch-all for composer/lyricist and a specific writer credit.
But that's the way all of the others are grouped together
2025-03-27 08600, 2025
reosarevok[m]
(you might have seen the headers that used to say "writers" now say "authors")
2025-03-27 08658, 2025
reosarevok[m]
If anything, we could consider moving the "generic" usage up to author and have writer just for text writing, but that might be too confusing given decades of using it differently I fear
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kellnerd[m]
Right, I haven't been able to edit a lot lately, so I had already forgotten that "authorship" got a different meaning recently.
(added the Ring example from the "adapter" ticket too)
2025-03-27 08604, 2025
kellnerd[m]
Looks good to me. I can also give you some examples of audio drama works which also have an "adaptor" (currently entered using a different rel type :P)
2025-03-27 08655, 2025
reosarevok[m]
Do you have any that is not prose to audio drama?
2025-03-27 08615, 2025
reosarevok[m]
If you have one adapted from a film or a play or a poem or something else, we can add that too
2025-03-27 08608, 2025
kellnerd[m]
Hmm, I know a few movie to audio drama adaptions, let's see if they are in MB 😅
2025-03-27 08641, 2025
reosarevok[m]
I should probably clarify further that this is not arrangement
2025-03-27 08614, 2025
reosarevok[m]
I guess just "<p>For musical arrangements or orchestrations, please use the appropriate relationships instead.</p>" (with links) should suffice
2025-03-27 08631, 2025
kellnerd[m]
I found no movie adaptation that has works so far. For this scenario I am not even sure if there should be a second work for the original screenplay, if it is not otherwise relevant to MB?
2025-03-27 08646, 2025
kellnerd[m]
I mean novels which have no audiobook recording and are only linked to an audio drama work are already a stretch, but at least they are theoretically useful in MB.
2025-03-27 08609, 2025
reosarevok[m]
Yeah, dunno. Arguably it makes sense, but we don't have a film work type, so not sure
2025-03-27 08617, 2025
kellnerd[m]
Screenplays on the other hand are unlikely to be linked to any recordings, but maybe to the soundtrack work.
2025-03-27 08656, 2025
reosarevok[m]
I'm sure some people would be happy to have film works to link to soundtrack ones, but that might get too much into "we're not filmbrainz" territory
2025-03-27 08601, 2025
reosarevok[m]
Anyway, happy to get those examples or any other for the adapter rel
(Time to get some indie audio dramas into the official docs 😁)
2025-03-27 08629, 2025
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kellnerd[m]
Hmm, I was just about to translate "author" & "dramatization" of an original audio drama into "writer" & "adapter" intuitively, before I remembered that it should be "writer" & "scriptwriter" per our new guidelines.
2025-03-27 08657, 2025
kellnerd[m]
I will definitely need some time to get used to "dramatization" being translated differently depending on whether the audio drama is an original or an adaptation (which is not always obvious).
