does an early fade-out edit of a track count as a new recording or is that more of a mastering difference?
2025-05-07 12742, 2025
zoedivision[m]
the kind that shortens the track by about 10 seconds
2025-05-07 12726, 2025
zoedivision[m]
The recording guideline is a bit fuzzy to me on that topic ā it says "different volume fades at either end of multiple tracks are not reasons to maintain separate recordings - they are considered mastering differences unless they cause the structure of the song to change" and to be honest I can't quite tell whether that applies or not
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dvirtz[m]
it also says
2025-05-07 12720, 2025
dvirtz[m]
> Where a fade is added to the first or last section of an existing recording, this is not an edit, as the section is not removed.
2025-05-07 12713, 2025
Cheezmo
It is a tough call. I generally consider whether there is something unique in the faded out part such as dialog (live intro, etc.), a unique guitar riff or something not just repeated.
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Lotheric[m]
could be an edit of said recording
2025-05-07 12717, 2025
Lotheric[m]
Do they have the same ISRC ?
2025-05-07 12746, 2025
reosarevok[m]
It's confusing to me as well based on that guideline if it actually shortens the track rather than just fading it
2025-05-07 12712, 2025
Lotheric[m]
in doubt, it's best to keep separate
2025-05-07 12717, 2025
reosarevok[m]
The guideline is very clear for volume fading out, but if there's a cut... yeah dunno
2025-05-07 12733, 2025
reosarevok[m]
(I'm a works person, so listen to these other people instead)
2025-05-07 12727, 2025
zoedivision[m]
currently the only ISRC I have is what's on streaming which is the shorter track, I'm not finding one for the longer CD version
2025-05-07 12704, 2025
Lotheric[m]
what's the longer release ?
2025-05-07 12710, 2025
Lotheric[m]
you have the url ?
2025-05-07 12724, 2025
zoedivision[m]
in MB or elsewhere?
2025-05-07 12724, 2025
dvirtz[m]
Have you listened to the longer version? It might be that the CD artwork just has an inaccurate timing
I imported the current 15-trk streaming version via Harmony just a bit earlier, that's when I caught this matter
2025-05-07 12700, 2025
Cheezmo
If you compared them and the only difference is where it fades out, I would be inclined to use the same recording. I would also add an annotation to the recording explaining that is the case so someone doesn't guess wrong and undo it.
2025-05-07 12737, 2025
zoedivision[m]
the more I think about it, the more I don't really understand why the "edit" guideline doesn't consider a fade to be "removing" a section
2025-05-07 12748, 2025
reosarevok[m]
I think that the point is "if the section is still there but it fades out in volume"
2025-05-07 12759, 2025
reosarevok[m]
But not "if the section is actively removed from the recording"
2025-05-07 12707, 2025
reosarevok[m]
But again, not a recordings person š
2025-05-07 12700, 2025
zoedivision[m]
I feel like this grey area could be resolved if there were such a thing as, like, a sub-recording š or inter-recording relationships
2025-05-07 12715, 2025
dvirtz[m]
there's `edit of` relationship
2025-05-07 12704, 2025
zoedivision[m]
Indeed, but it implies separate recordings, which is the question at hand
2025-05-07 12728, 2025
zoedivision[m]
doesn't it?
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reosarevok[m]
Yeah, it does
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reosarevok[m]
STYLE-2694 makes a lot of sense to me but no idea about naming/wording - if anyone has suggestions, please comment on the ticket (aerozol?)
