does an early fade-out edit of a track count as a new recording or is that more of a mastering difference?
the kind that shortens the track by about 10 seconds
The recording guideline is a bit fuzzy to me on that topic — it says "different volume fades at either end of multiple tracks are not reasons to maintain separate recordings - they are considered mastering differences unless they cause the structure of the song to change" and to be honest I can't quite tell whether that applies or not
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dvirtz[m]
it also says
> Where a fade is added to the first or last section of an existing recording, this is not an edit, as the section is not removed.
Cheezmo
It is a tough call. I generally consider whether there is something unique in the faded out part such as dialog (live intro, etc.), a unique guitar riff or something not just repeated.
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Lotheric[m]
could be an edit of said recording
Do they have the same ISRC ?
reosarevok[m]
It's confusing to me as well based on that guideline if it actually shortens the track rather than just fading it
Lotheric[m]
in doubt, it's best to keep separate
reosarevok[m]
The guideline is very clear for volume fading out, but if there's a cut... yeah dunno
(I'm a works person, so listen to these other people instead)
zoedivision[m]
currently the only ISRC I have is what's on streaming which is the shorter track, I'm not finding one for the longer CD version
Lotheric[m]
what's the longer release ?
you have the url ?
zoedivision[m]
in MB or elsewhere?
dvirtz[m]
Have you listened to the longer version? It might be that the CD artwork just has an inaccurate timing
I imported the current 15-trk streaming version via Harmony just a bit earlier, that's when I caught this matter
Cheezmo
If you compared them and the only difference is where it fades out, I would be inclined to use the same recording. I would also add an annotation to the recording explaining that is the case so someone doesn't guess wrong and undo it.
zoedivision[m]
the more I think about it, the more I don't really understand why the "edit" guideline doesn't consider a fade to be "removing" a section
reosarevok[m]
I think that the point is "if the section is still there but it fades out in volume"
But not "if the section is actively removed from the recording"
But again, not a recordings person 😅
zoedivision[m]
I feel like this grey area could be resolved if there were such a thing as, like, a sub-recording 😅 or inter-recording relationships
dvirtz[m]
there's `edit of` relationship
zoedivision[m]
Indeed, but it implies separate recordings, which is the question at hand
doesn't it?
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reosarevok[m]
Yeah, it does
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STYLE-2694 makes a lot of sense to me but no idea about naming/wording - if anyone has suggestions, please comment on the ticket (aerozol?)
