I didn't even know there were any after linkedbrainz stopped working
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naxay07[m]
Hello, I'm having trouble on edit #125875977. Problem is, this release turned out to have an English tracklist on anywhere except JP. Even in JP if you set your app language to English, tracklist turns to English. How should I proceed about this, should I just add EN tracklist as a pseudo-release or add another release as XW except JP? Harmony aggregates data with JP tracklist.
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naxay07[m]
I'm very confused and editor rinsuki, who pointed out the issue, also don't know how we should do it.
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naxay07[m]
I searched the forum and couldn't find an issue similar to this. If anyone could help I would be very glad
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reosarevok[m]
Two releases probably. Both official
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naxay07[m]
Alright, I'll just make a new release but with english tracklist
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zoedivision[m]
What's up with GTINs extracted from iTunes artwork URLs by Harmony? I ask cuz I've been working with indie releases that don't contain any barcode on the physical product, and I *guess* the other streaming services don't supply a barcode..... this GTIN only seems to be coming from iTunes's artwork. If I do a web search for these GTIN nothing else on the web turns up, so I'm wondering if these GTINs are really official in these
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zoedivision[m]
cases?
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reosarevok[m]
iTunes requires a barcode AFAICT
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reosarevok[m]
So everyone needs to give their release one - which doesn't make it any less official
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zoedivision[m]
It's not possible for it to be automatically assigned on iTunes's end?
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reosarevok[m]
I don't think that's how it works - but even if it did it still would be a barcode :)
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reosarevok[m]
https://itunespartner.apple.com/music/support/521… says that " For music to be streamed or sold on Apple Music and the iTunes Store, each product (such as an album, EP, single, and video) must have a unique UPC, EAN, or JAN, and ISRC"
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zoedivision[m]
So, shouldn't I be able to look up a release from these GTINs, elsewhere on the web?
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reosarevok[m]
Sometimes you can
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reosarevok[m]
Sometimes they only use them for this kind of stuff
Also at Tidal if you pick that instead of Deezer (the do pre-release differently so you can't select both together it seems)
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reosarevok[m]
But googling 5059449216478 gives you nothing of use
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zoedivision[m]
Okay, I see now that the other services contain the same GTIN too
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zoedivision[m]
So extracting from iTunes is just the easiest way to find it I presume eh
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reosarevok[m]
I guess so :)
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zoedivision[m]
should a compilation release of EPs still be classified as an EP? orrrrr does it become an album? is it one of those persnickety cases of "whatever the artist/label calls it"?
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Lotheric[m]
What's the total length ?
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zoedivision[m]
Is there an EP -> album length threshold?
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Lotheric[m]
yup
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Lotheric[m]
An extended play (EP) is a musical recording that contains more tracks than a single but fewer than an album.[1] Contemporary EPs generally contain up to eight tracks and have a playing time of 15 to 30 minutes.[7] An EP is usually less cohesive than an album and more "non-committal"
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zoedivision[m]
That says 'generally'. And I have some interesting EPs by Autechre to introduce you to, lol. But my question is about a compilation release of definite EPs
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zoedivision[m]
Singles compilations are usually considered comp. albums, so there's *that*
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zoedivision[m]
Oh, and that's Wikipedia anyway, not the MB style guide
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Lotheric[m]
I'd say it's a compilation album (without any more info on the release)
I'm diving into the forums to see what the community thinks — surely I'm not the first to ask this question lol
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zoedivision[m]
incidentally I looked up two EP boxsets I already know of; for one group theirs is entered as Album, for the other, it's EP. Lol.
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derwin
06:29 < zoedivision[m]> Is there an EP -> album length threshold?
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derwin
"no"
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derwin
my standard is that an EP is : 1) titled "EP" or ad copy mentions "EP" 2) 2-6 tracks 3) not titled after one of the tracks, or if it is, there aren't multiple mixes of that same track ("single" indicators)
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derwin
there's other indicators like whether the label tends to release things which are obviously singles or if every other release seems like an EP
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derwin
shorter : "most 2-6 track releases are EPs unless they are obviously singles"
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elomatreb[m]
fwiw the Musicbrainz guidelines are pretty clear in that you shouldn't consider things EPs unless the artist calls them that somewhere
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elomatreb[m]
even if they otherwise meet your criteria
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BlastboomStrice[
may I ask, if I merge two release groups, do I have to merge the releases as well, if I want to merge their recordings?
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BlastboomStrice[
and if yes, will the system accept my edits if I first merge the release groups and right after (before the previous merge gets accepted) merge the releases?
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BlastboomStrice[
ah I see that there is option to merge the release groups when merging releases
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BlastboomStrice[
rip, I waited for a week for 2 tracks to be added in the release to be merged
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BlastboomStrice[
now I'll wait another week for the tracks to be reordered (otherwise they'll be merged wrongly)
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crism
BlastboomStrice[: There are some users here with approval superpowers. Post the edit №s here.
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BlastboomStrice[
thanks:) it's ok, I suppose it is a way of learning
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BlastboomStrice[
(also not something important, they've been unmerged for very very long)
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Olivetti[m]
May I ask, if there is a special thread here for asking for votes for edits?
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crism
No threads in IRC. Just a stream of messages…
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rinsuki[m]
Discord have it, btw
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kepstinbrainz
since this room is bridged, it's best to avoid things that don't translate across the bridge, like threads, message edits, etc.
12:05 < elomatreb[m]> fwiw the Musicbrainz guidelines are pretty clear in that you shouldn't consider things EPs unless the artist calls them that somewhere
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derwin
do you have the cite? I obviously believe you but am curious about the wording
if it's not a single and it's not obviously an EP, what do I tag it?
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derwin
especially in the world of electronic dance music, the default release format is an EP, because of the history of releasing on 12" vinyl
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derwin
if I assumed those are all singles, I would pretty clearly be going against label intent, when they call 5/10 of them "EP" and the other 5 they don't, but they're otherwise the same in terms of track distribution etc.
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elomatreb[m]
@derwin Album is a safe bet in musicbrainz terminology, but it's also just a guideline, so if you think it's reasonable to be consistent you can also stick with the EP type
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aerozol[m]
If a release is under 20 minutes (e.g. 7” length) I usually go with EP. To me “album” = “long play”. I confess that I might be bumping into MB guidelines there, but I guess nobody has ever told me off/complained about it?
