the other day I noticed we have this medium type now — Download Card. but no real documentation about its usage. anyone encountered an release using that format type?
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kepstinbrainz
yeah, I've had a couple of japanese singles which included a download card as a "first press" bonus content that added an extra track.
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zoedivision[m]
so that's preferred now instead of .... "Digital"?
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kepstinbrainz
for the specific case of a physical card with a download code on it, sure
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zoedivision[m]
I can't quite wrap my mind around how that works..... semantically
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kepstinbrainz
in the cases i've seen these are usually unique codes per card and can only be redeemed once (or to one account)
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zoedivision[m]
cuz the card medium has a code, not music. not the same way for instance a USB drive does
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zoedivision[m]
is the strictly exclusive content a defining feature, maybe? 🤔🤔 being exclusive can always change, but that sort of sets it apart from being just like, the exact digital copy of the same thing on vinyl
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kepstinbrainz
the download card is very much tied to the music tho, both in being a physical object that represents it (and being effectively the artwork for it) as well as having a 1:1 relation to a downloaded copy of the music (for people obtaining it legally, at least)
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kepstinbrainz
and in the cases i've seen it usually is an exclusive bonus track
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zoedivision[m]
Because there's like..... a *ton* of vinyl releases like that, with digital copy download cards
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Cheezmo_
I have a lot of releases (Rush LPs that came with a "download card" that could be modified in this case.
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kepstinbrainz
i think in general, the "download card" media type is probably suitable for most cases of "digital media, except access to it is granted by possession of a specific physical object which does not itself contain the music data"
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zoedivision[m]
I actually submitted a fun release last month that I got from a show. RFID card they sold which contained the link to the download.
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kepstinbrainz
I'm kind of surprised it's not a subtype of digital media, but i guess pure "digital media" implies that there's no physical component at all.
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zoedivision[m]
That is one I definitely feel deserves the Download Card medium
^^ like cheezmo says, there's a toooonn of vinyl (cassette too I'm sure) releases out there with download cards that are 1:1 identical digital copies
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zoedivision[m]
Knee-jerk gut feeling says that would clutter up the database in a non meaningful way
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kepstinbrainz
apparently with this release there were 3 different download cards and you got a different one (with a different bonus track) depending on where you bought it
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zoedivision[m]
but yeah it's making sense to me now to use "download card" medium if it's something supplemental and not a 1:1 copy
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Cheezmo_
I actually think it adds something. I mean digital media with a physical release didn't really make sense. Download Card tells how it was attached.
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kepstinbrainz
yeah, i dunno about the case for vinyl + a duplicate copy as digital. theoretically (ignoring the analogue nature of the media) the digital copy is equivalent to if you recorded the playback from your turntable, just more convenient.
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zoedivision[m]
or ripping a CD
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zoedivision[m]
possible with any CD lol
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kepstinbrainz
And i've seen a bunch of cases on e.g. bandcamp where it's not a physical supplement saying how to download, but rather that you buy the vinyl or cassette and bandcamp also gives you a download copy before your physical media even ships.
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Cheezmo_
A recording of vinyl is subject to all kinds of corruption. The digital download is the same for everyone.
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kepstinbrainz
i did explicitly say "ignoring the analogue nature of the media" there, did i not? :)
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Cheezmo_
Yeah, not sure that bandcamp example is a "download card". Maybe another media type of "included download", lol.
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kepstinbrainz
the bandcamp example, i can't think of any better option than a "digital media" medium, tbh
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zoedivision[m]
^ kepstin I've also gotten many cards specifically powered by bandcamp too, lol, ie you enter the code on the site and there's your download.
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Cheezmo_
You did, kepstinbrainz.
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kepstinbrainz
ah, interesting that bandcamp does that. I guess that's handy for artists who want to sell merch at shows and already use bandcamp for internet sales.
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kepstinbrainz
is that a different release than purchasing the same thing on bandcamp without the card tho? :)
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zoedivision[m]
No, it's almost certainly the exact same thing.
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zoedivision[m]
I personally wouldn't be for setting out to bloat every applicable analog release with an accompanying download card digital copy
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kepstinbrainz
especially if the same thing as the download card / included download is also available for sale on its own
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zoedivision[m]
that sort of data can go in annotation 🤷🏼♀️
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Cheezmo_
Updated my Rush releases, FWIW
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zoedivision[m]
right, when it's that sort of thing it's like any other bundled goody like a sticker or goody
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Cheezmo_
Thinking about the Amazon releases that come with digital copy, drives me mad.
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Cheezmo_
Not a card, just comes with it.
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zoedivision[m]
Wow I'm actually sorry I brought it up 😭😭
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kepstinbrainz
yeah, i do think that the cases of a physical release which when purchased from a store includes a digital copy, where you can also purchase the digital copy alone, probably shouldn't have the digital version added as an additional media to the physical release.
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Cheezmo_
I mean, I am really happy to do it for the releases that I've purchased that came with a download card. But there are similar things that are "bloative".
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kepstinbrainz
(especially if the identical physical release is available from other stores without including the digital copy)
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Cheezmo_
kpestinbrianz, I disacgree. If the store purchase includes a code for a download that should absolutely be included.
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zoedivision[m]
Oh, I see they already had the digital copy as an additional medium... uh... um... 🤢🤢I'm just going to excuse myself from this discussion now.
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kepstinbrainz
yeah, i'm thinking specifically of the case where a physical download code is not included with the release, but rather that the digital copy is provided through the store
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Cheezmo_
The Amazon thing is tricky. You could be some new releae of an album (with bonus tracks or whatever) or some physical LP or something and be granted access to a "digital copy" that isn't even the same release.
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zoedivision[m]
I'll just conclude by saying a a release-release relationship for bundled/bonus digital copies would be a ton more elegant
Just catching up, but the download card thing seems weird to me. At Bandcamp, I can generate a set of 100 download codes, which I can print on cards (or just e-mail out), or even order download cards from Bandcamp with codes on them… but the content accessed by those cards is just the Bandcamp release. Making that a distinct release seems really weird…
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crism
Like, if someone e-mails me the code, is that a different release than if get it on a piece of paper, or if I find the site on my own?
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outsidecontext[m
@crism: I agree, in such cases the "download card" media does not make much sense. There have been other cases where e.g. certain editions of an album contained such cards to download tracks from the band's website that otherwise were not available. There this media type makes much more sense.
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outsidecontext[m
Maybe a release-release relationship "contained a download card for {release}" would be more usefull. don't know
(p) (c) is very much not a release label, so it fits
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reosarevok[m]
Those are phonographic copyright and copyright relationships
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reosarevok[m]
(which can be added to the release separately)
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reosarevok[m]
What is the logo?
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reosarevok[m]
Release labels follow imprints, so mostly logos
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ivy
reosarevok[m]: Mercury (which is what i added it as in the end)
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reosarevok[m]
Seems more appropriate then, yes :)
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does anyone know if there’s a script or an easier way to add genre tags to every recording on a release? i don’t really feel like clicking on every single recording lol
