specifically, music streams like <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm1_x4OlS5k> where the streamer plays songs on stream and takes requests from viewerse
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lemuria
viewers*
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zoedivision[m]
as just a general rule of thumb, very minor lyrical changes or liberties in cover versions don't usually constitute new Works, right?
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Lotheric[m]
Wasn't a ticket made to replace locales with language/script combos ?
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Lotheric[m]
I thought there was... Can't find it
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lemuria
welp, i did it: <https://musicbrainz.org/recording/31eaf598-a413-4757-8f48-55082acda828>
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lemuria
it's been done before with nanashi munei: <https://musicbrainz.org/release/6495a792-9924-4ca9-bfb4-fe81bcf62a00> though
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zoedivision[m]
anyone ever merge stray compilation recordings into known ones without 100% knowing for certain they're the same? 😅
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zoedivision[m]
like, I'm looking at one in a band's Recording list, from some random label sampler that I'm likely never going to acquire to confirm 100% this one track..... and it's hard for me to imagine the recording was unique in any way...... but there's always that *possibility*...... 😑
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crism
zoedivision[m]: I generally don’t. Merges are destructive and hard to undo, and it might be the album cut, the single, the radio version, a particular mix, and outtake… Having extra recordings lying around doesn’t do much harm IMO.
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yang3
Could I please receive the invitation link for the Matrix channel?
kellnerd: I know why it doesn't work anymore: (very) old system, LE certbot not supported anymore. But I don't know who's in charge of this, I guess we need to do a full upgrade
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janprunk[m]1
Thank you Bob Swift
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janprunk[m]1
Is there a mobile phone version of the MB database (like editing from mobile phone)?
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elomatreb[m]
sadly no
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elomatreb[m]
a major redesign that would include making the site work better on all types of devices is on the goal list, but it's a lot of effort for a small team of volunteers
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kepstinbrainz
it's unlikely that there will be a separate site or app for mobile editing, instead it makes sense to redesign the site so that it can adapt to different screen sizes
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janprunk[m]1
elomatreb, kepstin: ok
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YoMo12[m]
@janprunk I do 70 percent of my editing on mobile, I got very used to it. There is a thread by Jesus on the forums about his setup that I followed.
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janprunk[m]1
OK
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dvirtz[m]
crism, I think there is harm in having many recordings, each one with different bits of data and making every editor that searches for that recording not know which one to choose.
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dvirtz[m]
@zoe.division , I would at least add a disambiguation to that recording so it won't be used for other releases but that sampler
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dvirtz[m]
I would prefer if adding duplicate recordings would require disambiguation like artists do but perhaps it's to noobe unfriendly
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dvirtz[m]
s/to/too/
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crism
Is the harm of many recordings better or worse than false merges? IOW, on which side should one err?
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elomatreb[m]
technically you should err on the side of not merging
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elomatreb[m]
i.e. practically, when you see two recordings with the same name/artist and a reasonably similar length, they are probably duplicates that should be merged rather than actually separate recordings
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dvirtz[m]
As elomatreb (@_discord_681477816029675521:chatbrainz.org) said. As long as it's thought about
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RogueScholar[m]
I'm doing a little cleanup work on the wiki and am encountering links which appear to use an identifier scheme that predates MBIDs. They take the form: https://musicbrainz.org/showartist.html?artistid=202165; is there a way to convert them into the MBID UUID format?
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leftmostcat[m]
This has been controversial in the past, but style guidelines indicate that release artist should be followed without the track listing saying otherwise, so I'd like thoughts/comments on https://musicbrainz.org/release/12d9d02a-ddfc-35e… if anyone has them.
<leftmostcat[m]> "This has been controversial in..." <- It's not germane to your question, but I personally think that element of the style guidelines is ill-contrived and detrimental to the project. If we're bound by the original publisher's choices even when we have a well-sourced and more accurate datum, we're nothing more than medieval monks working in dimly-lit cells making verbatim copies of poor sources because of
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RogueScholar[m]
misplaced fealty to the divinity of the original source. I personally think we can do better, provided we give ourselves permission to do so.
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leftmostcat[m]
RogueScholar[m]: Personally, I think that's what recordings are for. They represent the _facts_ of something, whereas the tracklist represents "how is this represented on the release".
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RogueScholar[m]
Oh, actually you make a solid point there; I don't think I'd given thought to the potential for there to be intentional discrepancies between the two. Thanks for giving me a different perspective to consider. 👍️
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leftmostcat[m]
Sure thing. And of course, there's room here to reasonably disagree. And unfortunately, we're trying to describe real world data, where strict guidelines will always suffer no matter what.
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RogueScholar[m]
Then moving on, I think your edit is good regarding faithful reproduction of the release metadata, but I'm less sanguine about the orthography. Isn't the umlaut form of the name the more…canonical(?) of the two?
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RogueScholar[m]
I always thought the ash ("ae") was an anglicized form of the original.
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leftmostcat[m]
That's what's always confused me about this particular release. Rudy Ratzinger is German, so I'd think that there would be some reference out there which used ä instead of ae. But maybe I'm expecting too much of PR folks.
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RogueScholar[m]
LOL, definitely expecting way too much of them, yes.
Haha, that's entirely possible, too. I'm an American born and raised, but my family emigrated here from Portugal shortly before I was born, so growing up we still spoke and wrote mostly Portuguese at home. During the 90s Portugal completely changed their orthographic norms to remove a lot of English influences that had crept in over many centuries of close alignment with England: things like the verb "activar" becoming "ativar"
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RogueScholar[m]
to reflect how it was pronounced in daily speech. Yet somehow despite never having any formal education in the old style and depressingly few opportunities to speak even a few words in Portuguese in the decade-plus since my grandparents passed away, still when I see a new style word like 'ativar' in the subtitles of something I'm watching, I feel consternation over seeing it being "misspelled." Humans are weird and
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RogueScholar[m]
frustratingly chaotic even in our better moments.
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RogueScholar[m]
But don't you agree that everything else being equal, the Kälte form reads better and seems more authentic than Kaelte?
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leftmostcat[m]
My particular tendency is "it's better in the form on the release", but I lean a lot further that direction than a lot of people, I know.
<leftmostcat[m]> "https://aeseaes.bandcamp.com/..." <- If it's retroactive, definitely the same release. Anytime you can avoid needless confusion is a win, and the change being retroactive to include early purchasers means there really was no earlier release with fewer tracks, it was simply incomplete during that time.
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RogueScholar[m]
I think keeping the original release date is also the right call, since updating it to when the later tracks came out would introduce a synthetic state during which people had owned the incomplete version before it was created.
