> Rather than downloading our dataset in one complete download
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YoMo12[m]
Technically these companies are not allowed to use the download dumps for commercial use...
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i522
<YoMo12[m]> "https://blog.metabrainz.org/2025..." <- well, the core data is cc0
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i522
also lb data is all cc0
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YoMo12[m]
Ah! Thanks that makes sense.
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YoMo12[m]
Is there any major AI company that uses this data from a local database that we know of?
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i522
honestly i don't think any of the ai scrapers really gives a shit about the specific sites they're scraping
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i522
the goal is just *more* data, no matter where it came from
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i522
(i don't think LB data would be very useful, for that matter)
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tarulia[m]1
uh anyone know why when I load this release in picard:... (full message at <https://matrix.chatbrainz.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/chatbrainz.org/oWMIBflVvNvWTHFfInkkNZOZ>)
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outsidecontext[m
tarulia: it's a various artists album
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tarulia[m]1
But does that really imply a compilation? 🤔
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tarulia[m]1
A compilation in my eyes is various existing tracks compiled into a new collection and released, but that's not what this is
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tarulia[m]1
The same would be true for something like Moulin Rouge. Yeah it's from a bunch of different artists, but the songs were all made for the film and released as part of the Soundtrack
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outsidecontext[m
It is what this tag actually is about. This is a very specific tag that originally got used by iTunes to handle such albums, and several other players use it as well
That is such a weird definition x_X I mean I can see how some might find it useful, but for me it's just weird lol
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outsidecontext[m
You can of course set it however you want. E.g. you can use scripting to set it to match the MB release type. But just be aware that it is a tag that might trigger your players to treat this release slightly differently.
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tarulia[m]1
Well it wasn't in the files until now (and honestly don't know if *any* of my files have it)
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tarulia[m]1
Unfortunately the "preserve" list only prevents deletion and overwrite, not addition :(
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outsidecontext[m
That's how it is supposed to be, yes
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outsidecontext[m
Do you have any specific issue in your player when this tag is set?
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tarulia[m]1
No, I honestly don't even know what it would do (in Jellyfin in my case).
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tarulia[m]1
I was just editing a single file though and noticed it so I was wondering, I don't really have a specific issue or anything.
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outsidecontext[m
If you don't want this tag to be written at all, use a script $unset(compilation). If you even want existing tags to be removed when saving use $delete(compilation)
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tarulia[m]1
ah yeah was just looking into that and found delete, guess unset is the better option in case some files already have it
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tarulia[m]1
I'm not opposed to it or anything, for a single file it just doesn't really make sense, and I don't know what it would do anyway 😅
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outsidecontext[m
What this mainly does in iTunes (and other players might do something similar) is that it does not cause all the track artists to be listed in the artist list when browsing. The idea is that you don't get a huge list of artist entries that just have a single featuring on one track
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tarulia[m]1
Although I don't really understand the documentation on it...... (full message at <https://matrix.chatbrainz.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/chatbrainz.org/tjtPlzZyyKSxBHNumxTOlCLA>)
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tarulia[m]1
outsidecontext[m: mh... I mean, I kinda want that though?
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tarulia[m]1
There is a separate album artist for a reason after all 🤔
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tarulia[m]1
Album Artist for the "clean" list and Artist for *every* artist including ones that only participated
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tarulia[m]1
Maybe iTunes doesn't have those separated
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outsidecontext[m
So how Picard sets it by default it should usually affect all files of an album. But it can totally make sense to set this selectively on albums to exclude the track artists from the artist list
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outsidecontext[m
As I said initially, it is a very player specific tag. If your player doesn't use it or it shows things as you expect I wouldn't really bother.
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outsidecontext[m
And player specific mainly means iTunes introduced it an used it in a specific way.
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tarulia[m]1
So if I understand right, if on something like this:... (full message at <https://matrix.chatbrainz.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/chatbrainz.org/AYgTDHXORisqBtlrdHHIkxWB>)
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outsidecontext[m
If the artists have other releases that are not marked as compilation then iTunes would of course list those artists
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tarulia[m]1
well yeah, I meant more "participating in", not their standalone releases
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outsidecontext[m
Are you using iTunes?
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tarulia[m]1
no, just trying to understand what it does
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tarulia[m]1
the only time I had to use itunes was like 10 years ago to copy some tracks to my GF's iPod :'D
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outsidecontext[m
As I said, it mainly is about this artist list. And probably also holding releases with different artists together
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outsidecontext[m
But you also wrote that album artist is what should hold an album together, and I think this is generally the case for most players really. So if you set the album artist to Various Artists that usually does the trick as well
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tarulia[m]1
yeah I have a couple different "Various Artists" set via scripting as well, derived from the release type
so like for Soundtracks for example I set the album artist to "Various Artists - Soundtrack" to group all my soundtracks together to not have them lumped up with (actual) compilations
