#musicbrainz

Still stuck on how to link 'themes' or 'leitmotif's' that appear on multiple songs. Any classical pros want to have a peek I'd be grateful :)

ah

i had an old idea for that actualy. a new work-work relationship: "contains compositional elements from"

i had in mind more for popular music than classical, but

Yeah - right now all we have is "based on"

popular music borrow compositional bits from classical

tink only of the many many many that have bits of bethovens 5th for exampke

Classical does that from classical very often too :)

hah

actually that'd be interesting information

what do you think of my idea reo?

For stuff like "variations on piece X" I've always used "based on", but for stuff like "this contains a brief quotation of Beethoven's Emperor piano concerto" we have nothing rn

yea!

There's probably a ticket for something like this already, and it probably makes sense

We just need to word it clearly so that people won't use it stupidly, but I'm not against the idea

I had never made a ticket for "contains compositional elements" (ir "contaisn a brief quotation") becasue my idea was back in the dakr ages of style

hench why "compositional elements". I like the "brief quote too"

eh. "brieft quote" too

STYLE-348: Add relationship: Musical Quotation/Reference

aerozol: is that kinda your use case too? ^

i' say for melody, but i thikn the lyrics one is a different egg

IIRC there's a second ticket to have a separate rel for lyrics :)

So yeah, they could be separate

yes. they need to be separ.. yes

yea my "compositional elements" isn't even linked in the wikipage

!m reo

You're doing good work, reo!

thats an interesting idea for sure

cause it doesnt just apply to classical music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWZ4pve5Mkc it also applies to modern sampling https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCsGRCf8T9Y

i think these two songs would use the same relationship, if it existed

what is the difference between a "quotation" and an "interpolation"?

concept even

Releasing prod, forgot to say :)

Oh yeah, that would do the trick! I guess I assumed this kind of thing would already be used as it seems like something that would be used throughout parts of symphonies etc. But I guess it's probably so 'obvious' that symphony parts would include similar motifs that it's redundant there.

Not sure about the terminology re. 'quote' but that's what I would use. CatQuest nailed it too

But this convo is already helpful, I will link this stuff via 'based on' for now. Some of the Halo tracks have little pieces of a few other tracks in there (like 3) but I think it will be fine

hi, if an artist releases a song (just a track that is not part of an album) in youtube and bandcamp, should that be added as a single to musicbrainz? or as a standalone recording?

Bandcamp usually means single IMO, but

link?

Oh, yes, even a specific cover art and whatnot

100% single I'd say

perfect, thanks!

ah, I looked for the track name and found many recordings but not this one. It was a good idea to check the artist first, since it was already in the database

if they wanted to be good trolls, they'd make that a song, and use that as their artist name, and publish it

then it _would_ make sense to have XD