hi, I just added the following release https://musicbrainz.org/release/49229376-fb4f-496… and would like to check that it's ok to do what I did. First, it's not an album release but an special TV program that was broadcasted in Argentina and which consisted of 11 songs played one after another (The program can be watched in the youtube link I added)
2023-04-18 10812, 2023
antlarr
I used Broadcast + Compilation (I originally used Broadcast + Live, but it's clearly recorded in studio and edited, so it's not really live, also, Compilation probably makes more sense since it's a compilation of songs from different argentinian composers)
2023-04-18 10802, 2023
antlarr
also, is it ok to use "Lito Vitale + Various Artists" as artist credit? He's the producer and probably arreglist of all songs and appears in the credits of all tracks
2023-04-18 10857, 2023
antlarr
finally... I added some artists that weren't in MB but the last track has MANY missing artists, so I did a "trick" and added their names in the join phrases between artists that were in MB. Hope that's ok (I thought it would be better than not writing their names at all)
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derwin
antlarr: I mean, it's better than nothing, but it's not right?
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antlarr
I think it might be considered a loophole in the "phrase joins" definition. The problem is... I'm not spending that much time adding so many "minor" artists I don't know at all and who probably won't be used anymore in MB
2023-04-18 10812, 2023
derwin
well... I mean...
2023-04-18 10818, 2023
derwin
you can just add them with no attached information
2023-04-18 10839, 2023
derwin
it's not ideal, but it's a lot better than what you're doing...
2023-04-18 10842, 2023
atj
if you're not going to do it properly then don't do it at all
2023-04-18 10855, 2023
reosarevok
Yeah, I'd just add them, with maybe a disambiguation like "Argentinean, collaborated with Lito Vitale" if you feel the name is common enough :)
2023-04-18 10831, 2023
atj
abusing join phrases because you can't be bothered to add a load of artists isn't acceptable IMV, sorry
2023-04-18 10833, 2023
reosarevok
I think it's fine to have this under Lito Vitale - not sure Various Artists on the release adds anything of use in that case though?
2023-04-18 10805, 2023
atj
should the recordings be flagged as videos?
2023-04-18 10825, 2023
reosarevok
Probably
2023-04-18 10854, 2023
reosarevok
Well, unless there's an audio bootleg rip that this represents, but it's marked official
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aerozol
antlarr: definitely not ideal, but unlike atj I think it probably is better than nothing? But if you’re using this to tag or something you’re gonna want to add the artists to avoid trouble later
2023-04-18 10842, 2023
aerozol
Plus, adding little-known artists is fun!
2023-04-18 10844, 2023
derwin
I personally think it's it RIGHT ON THE BORDER of abusive use of the site..
2023-04-18 10847, 2023
antlarr
I'll flag the recordings as videos and change the release artist credit to just Lito Vitale (without "Various Artists"). About the artists... I think at least this allows to see that there are missing artists that can be added little by little in the future as they're added to MB
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derwin
that's just not how musicbrainz works
2023-04-18 10821, 2023
derwin
I'd say ", dude" but I don't wish to gender you
2023-04-18 10842, 2023
derwin
but append the slightly bemused perspective that appending ", dude" would imply?
2023-04-18 10822, 2023
antlarr
note that many don't even have any other reference on the internet (I searched for some in google). Not even a homepage, or a reference in another site outside this release
2023-04-18 10824, 2023
derwin
no one is going to go back to this release, notice the abuse of the join phrase and think "huh, I wonder if those artists now exist in mb" and remove them as they are added
2023-04-18 10830, 2023
derwin
sure, so just add them as blank artists
2023-04-18 10841, 2023
derwin
takes like 5 seconds each
2023-04-18 10859, 2023
derwin
and is infinitely better than adding them in the join phrase.
2023-04-18 10826, 2023
derwin
like, the reason there's no rule against doing what you're doing is that no one ever considered such a completely wacky idea before
2023-04-18 10843, 2023
derwin
because they just... put... join... phrases... in... the... join... phrase... field...
2023-04-18 10828, 2023
antlarr
they are 31 artists, times 30 seconds each (select type, write disambiguation...) means more than 15 minutes for nothing
2023-04-18 10812, 2023
reosarevok
I'll do it
2023-04-18 10853, 2023
antlarr
thanks, reosarevok
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reosarevok
FWIW at least one of these even has a Wikipedia page, so not that minor
2023-04-18 10833, 2023
reosarevok
(some do seem very unknown though)
2023-04-18 10856, 2023
antlarr
I added a few (from the other tracks) and for a couple of them I spent some time trying to find out any link (some had quite common names, so instagram/facebook/youtube links were unrelated, but I checked them anyway)
2023-04-18 10859, 2023
reosarevok
But yeah, nobody is going to come back to check later, so in the future just add them :)
2023-04-18 10807, 2023
atj
antlarr: thanks for asking in the channel by the way. I appreciate that you probably didn't get the responses you we're hoping for, and I hope it doesn't discourage you from doing the same in future
2023-04-18 10817, 2023
reosarevok
Worst case scenario, add them with just the name
2023-04-18 10819, 2023
atj
*were
2023-04-18 10824, 2023
reosarevok
Better than nothing for future info adding
2023-04-18 10835, 2023
reosarevok
(since then someone might search, see we have them, and add more data)
2023-04-18 10856, 2023
atj
And we are generally helpful, if a little opinionated
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antlarr
atj: thanks, yes
2023-04-18 10810, 2023
antlarr
reosarevok: yes, I added those with just the name
2023-04-18 10854, 2023
antlarr
atj: hehe, I know, it's not the first time I ask things here and (I hope) it won't be the last :)
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atj
antlarr: 👍
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derwin
antlarr: it depends on what you mean by "for nothing" but sure?
2023-04-18 10818, 2023
derwin
antlarr: I think everyone would rather have a completely blank artist except for the name versus having it in the join phrase.
2023-04-18 10827, 2023
derwin
(heh, what reo said)
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derwin
I also totally agree with atj, thanks for asking.
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atj
I've added a lot of blank artists, I always try to find extra information/links but if there isn't anything to be found then it's the best you can do
2023-04-18 10854, 2023
atj
I often add a disambiguation like "featured on 'song name' by artist".
2023-04-18 10801, 2023
antlarr
reosarevok: some of the tracks of this release were released in Spotify as singles (3 of them I think). If I add them, then I can't reuse the recording id since it'll be marked as "video". Should I 1) reuse the recording and not flag them as video? or 2) flag the recording as video for this and create a new recording for the spotify release?
2023-04-18 10829, 2023
antlarr
atj: that's probably a better idea than "argentinian singer", indeed
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reosarevok
Create a new recording, but you can (should) just copy the artist credit with the copy button so you don't need to re-enter it
2023-04-18 10820, 2023
antlarr
ok, thanks
2023-04-18 10847, 2023
kellnerd
Speaking about unknown artists, my most used disambiguation comment definitely is voice actor/actress because I often add credits for audio dramas :)
2023-04-18 10833, 2023
kellnerd
Especially for indie releases I often add a dozen of them where I only know their name and the language they speak.
2023-04-18 10810, 2023
reosarevok
antlarr: added - was it intentional Vitale is not in that track
2023-04-18 10811, 2023
reosarevok
?
2023-04-18 10844, 2023
antlarr
I found it strange too, but he doesn't appear in the credits in the youtube video information (where I got the information from)
2023-04-18 10801, 2023
reosarevok
Ok :)
2023-04-18 10822, 2023
antlarr
I think he was probably forgotten since there are so many, but if it's not there... I preferred not to assume anything
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antlarr
btw, if you want at least "some" information about those artists, in https://www.tvpublica.com.ar/programa/marcando-el… you have for each artist where they are from (since it's not specified if they're born there or just live there, I used the "area" field to specify the city/region in the ones I added)
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derwin
my most used disambig comment is "dance music"
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derwin
because I often don't even know the specific subset of dance music the artist makes, and many artists make more than one kind
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i suppose im due again for the query, does picard have the ability to automatically resize embedded or downloaded artwork yet?
2023-04-18 10818, 2023
CatQuest
[13:01] <atj> if you're not going to do it properly then don't do it at all
2023-04-18 10818, 2023
CatQuest
don't agree with this sorry
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CatQuest
(caveat that if you do it *shittily* then etter not)
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CatQuest
and of course theargument isif this was or was not shitty
2023-04-18 10823, 2023
CatQuest
I think the line goes at "can this conceavily be fixed by another person witouth too much fuss?"
2023-04-18 10836, 2023
CatQuest
and the answer here is "yes" imho
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CatQuest
"better thna nothing2 i agree
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CatQuest
but "preferably do it properly" is deff on
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CatQuest
but yea reo is right here
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CatQuest
[14:22] <reosarevok> Better than nothing for future info adding
2023-04-18 10845, 2023
CatQuest
[14:22] <reosarevok> (since then someone might search, see we have them, and add more data)
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reosarevok
CatQuest: it's quite annoying to fix, actually, because there's not one line per artist - there's one line per linked artist and then a bunch of join phrases with a lot of names :)
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reosarevok
So you need to reorder the whole artist credit, you can't just add the right links
2023-04-18 10825, 2023
reosarevok
I guess I could see this being less bad if you just have one artist and one long join phrase, so that someone can just add a few at a time and keep the long join phrase at the end? :)
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reosarevok
Anyway, I guess this is the one downside of removing the "just add a ton of new artists" option
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reosarevok
(when submitting)
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reosarevok
Still a good idea given how many empty duplicates people added like that tho
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CatQuest
yep
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CatQuest
and man, that new artist thing was aaages ago
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bujiraso
hey. Just installed a fresh copy of Windows 10 and a new install of Firefox and I can't seem to log in to Musicbrainz. "The form you’ve submitted has expired. Please resubmit your request." -- no add-ons, clean profile, safe mode... nothing. Any ideas?
2023-04-18 10814, 2023
bujiraso
(and by "just" I mean within the last few hours -- totally clean Windows & Firefox)
2023-04-18 10818, 2023
bujiraso
Took a moment to install Google Chrome from official sources -- yeah that works. So no internet/IP/VPN nonsense suspected.
2023-04-18 10823, 2023
bujiraso
Developer tools don't show too much of interest to me. It's all 200s. Console does show "Content Security Policy: The page’s settings blocked the loading of a resource at inline (“script-src”)." -- I'm not sure that's fatal. Ah -- now this... Cookie “musicbrainz_server_session” has been rejected because it is already expired.
Not sure that's the fish. It's a 3yo FF82 bug, I'm on 112, but it was updated 3d ago.
2023-04-18 10857, 2023
bujiraso
And got it. "New Windows you say? What time is it on the Windows clock? What time is it on the wall clock" -- yes, indeed they did not match. Updating the timezone in the Windows settings and sync'ing was a fix. Some hardware RTC tom-foolery must have occurred without me noticing, probably to due with DST. DST and computing issues, name a more
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bujiraso
iconic duo.
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bujiraso
[RESOLVED] :P
2023-04-18 10835, 2023
bujiraso
I'll uh, let myself out. Thanks for letting me rubber duck a bit here.
