aerozol: regarding the encoding issue that usually means some character encoding was used that differs from the encoding actually specified in the file. Hard to tell without knowing the file format and how the actual output looks like
Hmm, production I guess? Field recordist is also there, so it might fit the best next to that one (that is, under "engineer").
2024-02-26 05744, 2024
kellnerd
If we would have separate rels for "sound effects" and "foley artist", I would place foley artist under performer.
2024-02-26 05719, 2024
kellnerd
As I understand "sound effects" to be the person who added the sound effects to the recording, while the foley artist performs the sounds using utilities.
2024-02-26 05731, 2024
reosarevok
Hmm, ok
2024-02-26 05717, 2024
reosarevok
I'll just do a sound effects in production for now - but not sure if it should be by field recording (that's specifically under recording engineer) or just under production :)
2024-02-26 05743, 2024
kellnerd
Yeah, it depnds on how you interpret the role of somebody credited for that job.
2024-02-26 05716, 2024
kellnerd
Probably safer to have this on the higher level (under production) for now.
2024-02-26 05722, 2024
reosarevok
Let's do that
2024-02-26 05741, 2024
reosarevok
I love half-done translations
2024-02-26 05743, 2024
reosarevok
"Add a new Artista-Publicación relationship type"
2024-02-26 05718, 2024
kellnerd
Hehe, time to go translating again, or is this an untranslatable admin string?
2024-02-26 05745, 2024
reosarevok
I think it might be the latter, now that I think about it
2024-02-26 05738, 2024
reosarevok
Hmm
2024-02-26 05741, 2024
reosarevok
"did sound effects for"?
2024-02-26 05720, 2024
kellnerd
Good question
2024-02-26 05706, 2024
kellnerd
Sounds good if this is a generic did and not the specific "they literally performed that sound"
2024-02-26 05748, 2024
reosarevok
Yeah, I just dunno, "performed" doesn't seem right so I think the most generic possibility is just "did" :)
2024-02-26 05718, 2024
kellnerd
Ok 👍
2024-02-26 05709, 2024
reosarevok
I guess there's no such thing as "sound effectist" :D
2024-02-26 05710, 2024
reosarevok
(if that's wider than this "foley artist" thing)
2024-02-26 05724, 2024
reosarevok
So I guess I'll just have "did sound effects for" there too for now
2024-02-26 05738, 2024
reosarevok
Or maybe just "sound effects for"
2024-02-26 05751, 2024
reosarevok
I guess it's understandable that the person did it, and is not personally the sound effects :)
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kellnerd
👍
2024-02-26 05749, 2024
kellnerd
Looks good, not all link phrases start with a verb anyway
2024-02-26 05714, 2024
reosarevok
"This indicates an artist that did the sound effects for the recording." seems like enough for now, then we don't (yet) get into issues with put together vs recorded directly
2024-02-26 05734, 2024
reosarevok
Have you seen additional / associate / etc credits for this'
2024-02-26 05735, 2024
reosarevok
*=
2024-02-26 05739, 2024
reosarevok
... *? :D
2024-02-26 05757, 2024
kellnerd
Not really, it is mostly credited as "effects" only.
2024-02-26 05749, 2024
reosarevok
Ok
2024-02-26 05757, 2024
reosarevok
Let's not add them in the beginning then
2024-02-26 05705, 2024
reosarevok
Thanks!
2024-02-26 05746, 2024
kellnerd
Cool, I guess I have a few releases to update now :)
2024-02-26 05721, 2024
kellnerd
And as always, I am unsure whether I should add the rel to the release or all its recordings.
2024-02-26 05736, 2024
reosarevok
If you're sure it applies to all recordings then to those, if not to the release, as usual )
2024-02-26 05740, 2024
reosarevok
* :)
2024-02-26 05759, 2024
kellnerd
Yeah, I know, but there is usually only a single "sound effects" credit for the release and in almost all cases, I am like "sure, why should this not apply to all X tracks this audio drama was split into" where X is a number between one and a few hundred :)
2024-02-26 05744, 2024
kellnerd
I guess it still makes sense to add it to the recordings, but for larger X I am always wondering whether I am supposed to check whether each track contains sound effects (like you would do it for vocalists).
2024-02-26 05736, 2024
reosarevok
Honestly, probably not
2024-02-26 05749, 2024
kellnerd
It's not a big problem as sound effects are always present in modern audio dramas (unless there are separate tracks with just music or spoken credits), but for voice actors this is more problematic: There is one list with all roles, but not every role appears in every track 😢
2024-02-26 05722, 2024
kellnerd
So far I have been a bit inconsequent and added them to the release if there are many tracks (as that makes it easier to fix potential mistakes and wrongly attributed roles) while I was adding them to the recordings if there is only one or two (one track per side of an LP or MC).
2024-02-26 05735, 2024
kellnerd
I guess you could also see it the other way around: It is better to fix it for X recordings shared by Y releases than having to fix Y releases for which the same credits have been duplicated.
2024-02-26 05750, 2024
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kellnerd
And if anyone is interested in precisely crediting the actors which have perfomed on a specific track of the overall audio drama "recording", they could still do that by removing the superfluous rels (which were added to all recordings earlier).
2024-02-26 05739, 2024
kellnerd kellnerd did that once while listening to an audio drama, but it's simply too much work to do that regularly
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reosarevok
Yeah, I dunno. Honestly, I've done that for classical sometimes (if I know that X and Y perform in a specific work, I'll add them to all recordings of the work, without checking whether both are really in *all* parts)
2024-02-26 05740, 2024
reosarevok
I think it's not a huge issue, but people can improve it further if needed
2024-02-26 05718, 2024
kellnerd
Ok, so I will just relax and add recording credits most of the time :)
reosarevok: If you feel like adding more rel types to make audio drama editors happy, there still is STYLE-2363, probably the last major relationship type which is missing :)
Literally posted about hat in #metabrainz a few seconds ago, so yes
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kellnerd
If a release is credited as "A Label X Production", is it appropriate to use the "produced for" label-release relationship type (as it is under "contracted tasks")?
2024-02-26 05724, 2024
kellnerd
And similarly to use the "produced at" place-release relationship type for "A Studio X Production"? Sometimes "Studio X" rather refers to a team than a specific place.
