8000tomatoes: Looks okay to me? You added an alias and added 1 release as ‘performs as’ Max Marx, sound right?
2024-05-24 14553, 2024
reosarevok
8000tomatoes: what exactly were you trying to do and where did you fuck up?
2024-05-24 14506, 2024
reosarevok
Yeah, what aerozol[m] said, nothing here seems too bad?
2024-05-24 14537, 2024
aerozol[m]
Possibly a bit confusing because the Max Marx release is the only one where he is credited directly. So before that was added, this more comprehensive tab would have been displayed (as the fallback) - https://beta.musicbrainz.org/artist/71f357b6-60a3…
2024-05-24 14552, 2024
aerozol[m]
Is anyone else having MB go super slow?
2024-05-24 14508, 2024
discordbrainz
<078000tomatoes> ah, it just doesnt show all the releases directly?
2024-05-24 14538, 2024
reosarevok
It only shows all the releases *for the artist* - if there's none it falls back to various artists releases where they appear, which might be what you were seeing before
2024-05-24 14506, 2024
discordbrainz
<078000tomatoes> oh.
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discordbrainz
<078000tomatoes> Technically is it even right to credit Tom Scott - because he is Max Marx but its uncredited (and well documented that he's the vocalist)
<12Aerozol> It's a bit of a grey area... if it is Tom Scott with a funny name, 'credited as' is right. But if it is Tom Scott performing a different act, then it's better to create a new artist and link the two using 'performs as'. If that sounds confusing, it's because it is haha
2024-05-24 14509, 2024
discordbrainz
<12Aerozol> We almost always split if the two performance names denote different genres, for instance
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discordbrainz
<12Aerozol> Discogs has it under Tom Scott as well I see. And they have exactly the same thing - it's the only thing on his discography, but the 'credits' tab has all his other stuff. I think it's fine tbh! Not bad work at all
<12Aerozol> You should be able to set the alias already, it wont interfere. Otherwise all you can really do is ask for votes for edits you want through asap!
2024-05-24 14534, 2024
discordbrainz
<078000tomatoes> ah i see, i wish you could link dependancies kinda like you can on gerrit (the code review platform)
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discordbrainz
<12Aerozol> Could do with a better edit note, but I'm going to approve the change - looks like you know your NZ/AUS hip hop stuff 👌
2024-05-24 14516, 2024
discordbrainz
<078000tomatoes> if i have info, that isn't credited publicly, but known semi privately, is it worth uploading it?
2024-05-24 14529, 2024
discordbrainz
<078000tomatoes> things like "i know it was recorded at this studio"
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discordbrainz
<078000tomatoes> (haha i know the elefant traks people )
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discordbrainz
<12Aerozol> Absolutely. Just make sure to put in the edit note that it's first hand knowledge
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discordbrainz
<12Aerozol> If you have any A+ album suggestions atm, I'm keen for them!!
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discordbrainz
<078000tomatoes> what genre?
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discordbrainz
<12Aerozol> Anything, hip hop is good though
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<078000tomatoes> for conceptualised: what tag for relationships do i put?
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yvanzo
if there isn’t any appropriate relationship type at the moment, you can add an annotation instead
is there anything doable that the edits are more verbose to voters?
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reosarevok
mr44er[m]: this is the sort of edge case where we *should* have a one-member band since that seems to be how the artist sees it
2024-05-24 14512, 2024
reosarevok
Will make the necessary edits since you say you would rather not :)
2024-05-24 14515, 2024
discordbrainz
<078000tomatoes> @Aerozol i added a bunch of credits for ABC and fixed up some edits for Tom, would love you to have a check if you get time 🙂
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reosarevok
I like that when I google MacCriunna Google asks if I meant "Macarena"
2024-05-24 14529, 2024
reosarevok
Almost the same ting, yes
2024-05-24 14533, 2024
reosarevok
*thing even
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reosarevok
Oh, I see Tom King is already listed as a member :)
2024-05-24 14554, 2024
reosarevok
Also linked him to Blood Storm under his other name then (https://musicbrainz.org/artist/d24bec5c-304d-45d4…) - possibly not worth splitting the artist into several names right now, but if someone who knows more thinks it should happen, that's fine
2024-05-24 14517, 2024
mr44er[m]
<reosarevok> "Will make the necessary edits..." <- this edit was successful, so this is ok. but I know these cases appear again, where I find 'person' and as birth date the artist begin date. making those edits correct feels like making voters angry 😄
2024-05-24 14544, 2024
reosarevok
Well, unsetting the type is not the right fix
2024-05-24 14550, 2024
reosarevok
You should either make it a group, if it is
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mr44er[m]
it is not
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reosarevok
This one is :)
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reosarevok
Just a one man band
2024-05-24 14513, 2024
reosarevok
Those are a thing
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reosarevok
Or make it a person, remove the start of performance date, and set the birth date if known
2024-05-24 14553, 2024
reosarevok
Start of performance date under a specific alias can always be set as the start date for the relevant artist name alias
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mr44er[m]
thats the problem with it, yeah. group = 2+ persons 😄
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reosarevok
Usually, yes
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reosarevok
But our schema allows for one man bands, because they're intended as bands
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mr44er[m]
but what is wrong with artist/blank? I think this is the most fitting?
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reosarevok
That the intention is for it to be a group. If it wasn't, then it should be a person.
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mr44er[m]
ah..ok that was my missing piece
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reosarevok
I don't think there's any situation in our schema where we'd actively prefer no type for artists
2024-05-24 14549, 2024
reosarevok
Unlike for works for example, where many just don't fit any type at all and leaving it blank is entirely fine
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mr44er[m]
i kept pulling my hair out, but it was my conclusion when ruling out one after another with the help texts
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mr44er[m] posted a file: MBtype (34KiB) < https://matrix.moviebrainz.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/entruempelung.haus/UHNwKDXTZQqsMzWlslntQgWf >
"That said, this example does look like it specifically involves one person doing everything, so I’d expect Person. It might be possible to call artist intent on it if the person always refers to the project as “a band” and themselves as “its member” though, which I don’t know whether it is the case here!"
2024-05-24 14558, 2024
reosarevok
I think I still agree with myself in 2020, heh
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reosarevok
(that feels like so long ago)
2024-05-24 14534, 2024
reosarevok
Because they actually use a different name for them as a member vs the artist itself, it suggests to me intent for this to be seen as a band and that's why I would use Group
2024-05-24 14526, 2024
mr44er[m]
Yeah, I see the discussion is no fun. I just want to drop missing begin date, but can't when it's already person type. <- main problem. changing to group (what's printed on cd etc) is ok, that entry also has begin date but I need to check how those edits would look for voters
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mr44er[m]
suggestion: A grouping of multiple musicians who perform together (in some cases, some or all of the members might differ in different performances or recordings). -> A grouping of multiple (or just one-man-band) musicians who perform together (in some cases, some or all of the members might differ in different performances or recordings)
2024-05-24 14530, 2024
mr44er[m]
but yeah, a third $anything clearly for that purpose wouldshouldcould be better. solo-performer/project/one-man-band and only with begin date
