#musicbrainz

and compilers, whenever the fuck, depending on which

but also, to whatever degree of quality or agreement, for a while

pre-C++98 templates were still useful though, that's what the STL was written against

which ended up being integrated into C++98 because it was so useful

it sounds like templates of any actual seriousness came in c++ 11

from what i can find

no, completely false

if you want to argue useful templates first appeared in C++98 i'd accept that

but C++11's templates were just a refinement of what was in C++98

(i don't actually agree that useful templates first appeared in C++98, but the 98 standard *did* make such huge changes to templates that i could accept pre-98 templates weren't the same thing)

the only thing C++98 fucked up was the 'export' keyword, which was finally fixed in C++20 with modules

that seems like a long time

but then apparently amazon is still selling a book on the subject from 2002

well no, what actually happened is 'export' was defined in C++98, no one implemented it, then in like C++11 or maybe C++03 they removed the wording for the keyword on the basis that no one implemented it

but that was a niche feature that had no impact on how people actually used templates

fun

meanwhile i'm currently whining that c# doesn't have higher kind stuff

cause i want to write something that adds on to/wraps the Action/Func stuff for .... reasons

but those are defined with 17 variants each, because generics

0 params, 1 param, 2 param ... etc

T.T

why can't i just be lazy

i don't see why C# couldn't add variadic generics, they just decided not to for some reason. it is weird.

similar to how F# doesn't have typeclasses which makes it much less useful than it should be

yeahhhh

basically i just want something that works syntactically, like LINQ, but manages stuff like retry logic, success and failure info, errors, etc

so that i can just say "run this until it works, or <max> times"

or something like var x = new Thingy((int x) => { blah }).Retry().Times(5).Run();

but because that wraps them i have to define everything based on the varying numbers of generic params and returns

can't you just add new extensions methods if you want to do that?

nope =^.^=

i tried

they're sealed

T.T

and evne then, you're doing less, but y ou're still kind of doing it

an extension version with variants for each type

plus the record keeping

like, what if you want to know how many failures happened before the success? what if you want to do extra stuff

so you need to fully inherit the class

and that is also no bueno

so i'm stuck writing a class that simply has a variable of type Func or of type Action

and then i have to do the interface based language stuff

which is a whole thing

oh and interfaces have to agree with classes, so they have all the variations again ... yayyyy

but symantic interfaces are nice so ... worth it maybe?

er, semantic

anyway, it is bed time now o/

<11muxxer.exe> Anyway, if anyone's interested in starting a GamesBrainz, that'd be great.

<11muxxer.exe> A TabletopBrainz would also be cool tbh lol

<11muxxer.exe> InstrumentsBrainz, too.

<11muxxer.exe> Hell, fucking CarsBrainz, or even RadioBrainz

discordbrainz> <muxxer.exe> InstrumentsBrainz, too. 😤 we havethat!!!!!!

*I'm* that!

<05rustynova> What about brainz? - the zombies

i'm sure this edit is correct but how did we end up with 37 tracks on one CD? https://musicbrainz.org/collection/d91878fa-08b...

didn't original sumitter consider this and think, hmm, this does not seem likely

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weird that https://musicbrainz.org/release/bfd70d61-e7ee-3... has Joss Whedon as the recording artist on every track, when he didn't sing on any of the tracks

can i "fix" this or this is some kind of standard practice for MB?

on https://musicbrainz.org/release/8d3cc974-3f04-4... for example the artist is listed as whoever sang on that particular track, which makes a lot more sense to me

ok actually no, i see the 'recording artist' is set correctly, but it still shows Joss Whedon as the artist for every track? where is it taking that from?

even more confusing: https://musicbrainz.org/recording/a5410d05-1a91... - half the appearances of this recording are Joss Whedon and the other half are Sarah Michelle Gellar

i feel like trying to make this consistent is going to annoy one side or the other so perhaps i should just ignore it

actually i might ask about this on the forum

"half the appearances of this recording are Joss Whedon and the other half are Sarah Michelle Gellar" -- peak #musicbrainz

derwin: does #musicbrainz have a particular obsession with those people?

no, just they're so NOT MUSICIANS and so INTERNET and we care about whether they're being properly attributed

ah

i mean, they wrote and recorded songs, and then sung them, that doesn't make them musicians?

(i mostly care about this because i own this release on CD, i don't know if it's like 'very internet' or w/e)

you do know who they are, tho, in the greater like, memeverse?

not really? i mean obviously i know who Joss Whedon is and i know stuff came out about him being a shitty person

Musicals are usually treated like Classical; the credited artist is the composer or creator. Once More with Feeling is essentially a musical.

crism: would you not list the 'artist' on a classical album as the musician(s) though?

like a Hillary Hahn release of Bach music would have Hillary Hahn as the artist, not Bach

hmm, apparently MB doesn't do it like this though: https://musicbrainz.org/release/77e7ec69-1247-4...

this makes no sense to me. if Tanya Tucker or Chuck Berry sings a song that someone else wrote, we list Tanya or Chuck as the artist.

why would it be different for classical vs pop?

the example i linked from 'Crazy Ex-Girlfriend' seems a lot more sensible to me

following the classical model, most of those tracks should be credited to Adam Schlesinger which makes no sense, and is not how either the CDs or digital downloads are credited

crism: wouldn't this mean that the artist on any Altan or Dubliners album should be "[traditional]" for almost every track?

that doesn't make sense! this is a bad way of doing a thing

<12lazybookwyrm> Those wouldn't be considered classical releases

no, but why is it different for classical releases?

well, i guess i don't really care about classical music so if people want to list JS Bach as the recording artist on every track of a Hilary Hahn album i guess that's fine :-)

but we should really not do this for musical theatre, no one credits musical albums like this

<12lazybookwyrm> If you look at almost any classical album's cover art, you'll find the composer's name is usually just as or most prominent. E.g. https://musicbrainz.org/release/e028c506-cb0d-4... https://musicbrainz.org/release/3a077578-cb47-4... https://musicbrainz.org/release/49a17114-05c6-4... Some don't even list the performing artists on the cover:

"vienna master series" is a bad example since, according to discogs, the entire series is a fraud

there are very few classical music albums that don't like the performer in the album art

<12lazybookwyrm> And if you have a classical release with multiple composers you'll normally find the composers credited for each track. E.g. https://musicbrainz.org/release/bf2bdc53-03d8-4...

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but as i said, i don't really care about classical music releases and i think a lot of stuff there is stupid so i just ignore it

but these releases are musical theatre and in that genre there is a clear trend of crediting the artists who sing on each track, not the songwriter

<12lazybookwyrm> I mean we still do credit the perform on classical releases, it's just structured as "composer; performer" at release level, composer at track level, performer at recording level.

<12lazybookwyrm> Musical theatre I don't really have an argument for, haven't done much with that. Mainly just done a ton of classical entries

<03metadataismydrug> @muxxer.exe You might find this interesting https://community.metabrainz.org/t/brainz-fanta...

<12lazybookwyrm> Also, the fake series/Alfred Scholz release is super common lol, so many budget classical releases back in the day

i have to say the few classical albums i own clearly list the performing artists on the cover, e.g. the Academy of Ancient Music recordings of Vivaldi, where the artist is *incredibly* important to the releases

or Hilary Hahn's album of Bach, which is frankly terrible and i would never pay money for that, so having her name on the album art (which it is) is also important

like, who goes into a record store and says "hey, i want a recording of the Bach double violin concerto and i don't care who recorded it"? literally no one does that.

this is stupid. :-(

<05rustynova> Is there any way to search for a deleted MBID? Someone deleted an MBID that got mapped to a listen and now I'm wondering what it is

<05rustynova> BTW it's 3d2485b1-5e31-4169-87b9-8be830498428