#metabrainz

[listenbrainz-server] 14MonkeyDo merged pull request #1586 (03master…implement-cb-modal): Implement CritiqueBrainz Review Modal https://github.com/metabrainz/listenbrainz-serv...

Here's one

lucifer: did we open a ticket for https://github.com/metabrainz/listenbrainz-serv... ?

monkey: trimming is one solution. but yeah for another day. can wait for the PRs 👍

alastairp: uh no, i think i forgot.

lucifer: no prob, I'll do it now. Just closing some LB tabs that I have open

[listenbrainz-server] 14MonkeyDo merged pull request #1736 (03master…akshat/footer-upgrade): Footer Upgrade https://github.com/metabrainz/listenbrainz-serv...

thanks

Ladies and gents, we have a new footer ^

!m akshaaatt

You're doing good work, akshaaatt!

OK, that was all the PRs-in-waiting

!m monkey

You're doing good work, monkey!

[listenbrainz-server] release 03v-2021-11-24.0 has been published by 14github-actions[bot]: https://github.com/metabrainz/listenbrainz-serv...

I'm expecting atleast 200 new users once we launch year in music in ListenBrainz

How come?

We should be prepared to introduce all of them to MetaBrainz

it'd be better if they join before otherwise they miss out on one for themselves this year :)

Because it's an amazing feature which is very attractive!

Exactly my point lucifer! I was asking more friends to join so that they don't miss the wrap lol!

lucifer I was planning to directly display ListenBrainz project wrapped in the homepage. Does that work well?

uh... i ran the ab feature dump inside web container and its nowhere near done :/ so i update web prod the feature dump will be interuppted.

akshaaatt: which homepage?

Lb homepage

We already showcase some stats there

So adding a dedicated component for that would be great and it would showcase our numbers pretty neatly

I think the year-in-music is more personnalized, and maybe not a good fit for the homepage.

However ruaok and I talked about sending an email to users

monkey not the user's year in music but the project's year

Explaining we won't be sending tons of emails but that we've recently been making good progress and they should check out this end-of-year gift we have for them

The email sounds great

wow, my recent listens page is 100% mapped.

Ahh, i see, sorry akshaaatt . That sounds like a good idea then

See ruaok that's what I was saying over t-lunch. There's been a big lunge in the past couple of days

week

<akshaaatt> "monkey not the user's year in..." <- great idea!

[listenbrainz-server] 14akshaaatt merged pull request #1755 (03master…akshaaatt-patch-1): Update README.md https://github.com/metabrainz/listenbrainz-serv...

ruaok: https://beta-api.listenbrainz.org/1/stats/sitew...

Vision Éternel -- that must be spam, no?

huh that looks weird indeed.

I get the feeling that we just found ourselves a great spam finding tool.

let me query to see who listened to that track the most.

offset=25 look more believable

Vision Éternel is a melogaze band based in Montreal, Canada, which has over the past eleven years, been crafting a style of its own and established itself in the ambient, shoegaze and post-rock scenes. Being too emotional for the ambient genre, too minimalist for the post-rock scene and too ethereal for the emo revivalists, songwriter Alexandre Julien eventually coined a new term; “melogaze”.

amazing

huh that too has ~8 Vision eternel though

ruaok: https://listenbrainz.org/user/listenbrainz-prod...

top 4 are Vision eternel albums too

what/who is listenbrainz-prod?

sitewide faux user

a hack to store sitewide stats in statistics user table

heh, neat

:)

wait is this for the whole site?

yes

awesome

https://listenbrainz.org/user/listenbrainz-prod... top artist of last year by 3x !!

alastairp: not sure whether i shared this during earlier sitewide daily activity discussion so here again https://listenbrainz.org/user/listenbrainz-prod... this is what it would have looked like.

lucifer: yes, you showed this to me yesterday or the day before, but I didn't look into what listenbrainz-prod was

ah makes sense

btw, is this a real musicbrainz user?

yes

great

its the one supposed to have the oauth keys in future

the CB oauth key for LB is already on this user. in future, the intent is to move LB Oauth keys as well to this user

sweet

makes sense

it's even documented!

yup! :D

that region of light activity in daily activity graph surprised me somewhat though. maybe we don't have many users in some particular timezones

yeah, maybe

here is one suspect user https://listenbrainz.org/user/hds

ruaok: I believe that's the artist (same user who updated the artist annotation on MB, and user's home page is the artist's page)

ah, so pretty much streamfraud then

341479 listens in a year. woah!

is that even possible?

streamfraud, for sure.

so, is this coming from spotify, or directly to LB?

they stopped doing it around sep 2020 so once we move to this year stats it should be a bit better.

525600 minutes in a year, so no, not possible.

I'm still in favor of nuking this account.

Freso: ?

this seems to a simple alert rule to have btw. if a user's listen cross an annual/montly? limit, alert the team

if we don't have it yet, I'd like to see a public documented list of reasons for deleting an account - I'm happy with deleting 2 accounts with identical submissions

<ruaok> "here is one suspect user https:/..." <- lmao amazing

to me, this one is a little more on the edge - OK, it's clear that there is more listens than time in the day, so that can definitely be a factor. But we know that we already have users submitting from multiple clients

removing from stats: 100% in favour of. deleting outright? less convinced

what about flagging the users?

yeah in a way that removes them from stats and stuff

more listens in a year than is possible by 2-3 artists and you're not convinced? what would it take?

I seem to remember we added something to the code of conduct regarding gaming our websites, following the discovery of this particular LB user

10 * overplaying?

and now we're supposed to do extra work to be nice to these assholes?

> Do not abuse or game any of our projects. All of our projects are community maintained and abusive actions negatively affect other users. Do not use or create sockpuppets, unauthorised bots, or any other means of circumventing the intent or integrity of our projects.

From https://metabrainz.org/code-of-conduct

ruaok: right. it's clear that this user is gaming _something_. as I said, not sure if they're trying to do it specifically to LB, or through Spotify, or to l.fm too?

IDGAF. they are breaking our code of conduct.

ruaok: im curious about what their purposes are / if there is any value to lb from what theyre doing..

*bet

what I'm trying to avoid is "we just deleted an account because we looked at a page and it "felt wrong" and so I just decided to wield my power"

hds' Listens seem to be coming from Deezer mainly, at a quick glance

alastairp: I get that, but this is clearly in the realm of fuckery.

alastairp: https://api.listenbrainz.org/1/user/hds/listens looks like mix of various streaming services

and therefore having a list of "this account triggered metric x and y, therefore according to our list it was deleted"

and trying to define bad behaviour is going to be as easy as defining what pornography is.

very weird for someone to do stream fraud but also broadcast that on a listen tracking service lol

I agree it would be good to define what `gaming` means, what metrics we look at to make those decisions (would also be useful for us, to have steps to follow)

hds and iliekcomputers are the only people to have played 796afc2b-5ddf-4895-8058-df0a827c3720

Playing songs from only or mainly (what ration?) one single artist for example is suspicious

hds was the only person to play 5de963e7-d622-41dc-8fd6-b6efdd80aafe

I mean, that's not a great metric.

But this is pretty clear: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/dqlN5...

spot checking tracks further down the list and the spread of users becomes much greater. only hds appears to be a problem

Here's what Spotify says in their user guidelines for example:

>The following is not permitted for any reason whatsoever in relation to the Services and the material or content made available through the Services, or any : […] 8. artificially increasing play counts or follow counts, artificially promoting Content, or other manipulation including by (i) using any bot, script or other automated process, (ii) providing or accepting any form of compensation (financial or otherwise), or (iii)

any other means;

lucifer: alastairp: if you need to run this query in the future see the last item here: https://github.com/metabrainz/sql-query-wiki/wiki

Not much clearer

Hey ruaok that would be a pretty cool feature for LB

oh, heh, yes. ;)

Feels slightly privacy invading, but getting a list of "who listens to this song I like" is a good discovery tool

nice :D

well, I reported this user using the report user button. we can leave Freso to sort if out later.

there's an open ticket for it iirc, somethign like top listeners to an artist.

ruaok: regarding this time range, when the script runs on 1st of the month. it will still have data of the last month only. so for 1st, we should still calculate stats of last month, right? same for weekly, on monday we don't have anything for this week so show stats of last week.

yes

👍

[listenbrainz-server] 14amCap1712 merged pull request #1648 (03master…delete-old-stats): Delete now unused statistics.user table https://github.com/metabrainz/listenbrainz-serv...

Playing with CSS. Far from polished, but I figured I'd collect some initial reactions. Too tacky? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/V78MK...

the year is a bit too obscured, imho. lacking orange. otherwise great!

(does the listenbrainz color have a name? dark purplish blue? indigo?)

monkey: https://bono.metabrainz.org/top-new-tracks?user...

tandy1000: https://bono.metabrainz.org/top-new-tracks?user...

lucifer: https://bono.metabrainz.org/top-new-tracks?user...