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atj: that.

our accountants are for filing our taxes and making sure we don't do anything stupid.

but as for getting transactions into quickbooks, its just simpler to have python do it or link the accounts.

Ok

reosarevok: are you familiar with double entry?

That's what I'm looking into now

👀

atj: are you?

mayhem: oh yes, intimately

oh, that is good news.

it takes a while to get your head around it, as it were

in case I die (or get much more stupid) you can help save the team! :)

I mean, the concept seems sensible enough

it can be quite abstract though

I suspect that we should opt to pay atj more than $1/year if he offers to do the accounts :)

it is quite good, really. score one for the italians.

hang on

thank you for volunteering, atj

I wasn't suggesting that atj became our accountant. :) But having another person who knows how it works could be very very useful.

I'm in no way qualified to be anyone's accountant

But I'm still not sure how it works for stuff like getting paid. So, the amount as per contract itself is an accounts receivable credit, and then once it gets paid, it goes from accounts receivable credit to cash credit?

we don't normally use that route.

we do: 1. Send invoice 2. Payment hits our account 3. Transaction gets synced/downloaded 4. Match transactions. 5 Done.

The matching transactions is the tricky part -- that is where you need to find the invoice that is being paid either through the matching tools they have, or via the Receive Payment feature.

If we didn't send an invoice for money we received (rare), we use "Enter sales receipt" to record the income.

Oh. Then it's not that different from how I do my personal accounting 🤔

Except that I guess the invoices are part of the QB setup itseldf

*itself even

what gets tricky is when we receive a payment that isn't in the amount we invoiced. let's say that bank takes a $20 fee.

the software should do all the correct credits/debits, providing you categorise the transaction correctly

Oh. Fun. So I guess then you need to add a transaction for that fee?

then you can't match a transation, you need to "receive payment". receive the full invoice amount, but then enter a fee using the split transaction feature. the transaction should still sum up to what we billed, but we account for paying the bank $20.

Seems understandable if annoying

even worse, if someone pays you in a different currency from what was billed. that is a nightmare.

foreign currency payments are always fun too

heh, the voice of experience

always drama. always best to receive payments in the native currency for that account.

I wish I would have software that connects to my bank accounts, I budget and track everything by hand - but stuff that does that seems fairly expensive

(luckily I don't spend / get money that many times a month, heh)

mayhem: shouldn't the "receive payment -> enter fee with split transaction" also be documented on that file? :)

reosarevok: good idea, thanks for taking that on!

I mean, if you give me access to the software to see how it's done and examples, I can document it myself, but otherwise I'm willing to guess it's easier for you :p

fair nuff. live accounting systems are not to be learned on...

Honestly, looking at this file, you should split it into two: "what happens if the ED is gone" and "how to do our accounting"

You might, after all, stay on as the ED but delegate the accounting eventually

good plan for next year.

in that case I would not use this document to teach the accounting.

I guess, but having it all written down couldn't hurt

So they wouldn't have to pester you about everything all the time at first :D

reosarevok: Made all changes I wanted to but backticks/quotes.

Thanks. I am fine with having all field names be double quotes, just make them consistent and that's good

alastairp: i haven't used it often i guess we can keep it as is for the time.

yvanzo: will do.

reosarevok: new section to review: New supporter contact / on boarding

alastairp, mayhem: i have been looking into swagger docs for LB interactive api docs. how should we host it? also, do we want to keep api docs in both RTD and swagger?

lucifer: good question. swagger can generate html, right?

yup

both sounds like a bad idea.

so theoretically we could put it on docs.lb.org. does readthedocs need to be generated by sphinx (or similar?). they have a pretty generic build system now right, so it's possible ethat we could put swagger docs on rtd?

i haven't seen swagger docs on rtd before so not sure if its possible.

for instance, funkwhale does https://docs.funkwhale.audio/api.html and https://docs.funkwhale.audio/swagger/

I was thinking about stuff like this: https://stackoverflow.com/a/45043159

of course, I have no idea how complex the swagger html/js is, and if that's possible

but we do have lots of general documentation in sphinx, which could stay. and if we can host the swagger interface in a subpath on rtd then that seems like a good move

reosarevok: final section for this year's overhaul: "Finding Cheaters"

19 pages now. wow. :)

woo! I've met my doc goals for the week. yiss.

[musicbrainz-server] 14reosarevok merged pull request #2450 (03master…document-tests-9): Improve test documentation (IX): Shared tests (Annotation/Details) https://github.com/metabrainz/musicbrainz-serve...

mayhem: checked :) Is there a specific way to find cheaters as in people using a free token who should be paying?

Let's say a community member tells you "it seems company X is replicating and they're not a supporter"

Is there any trick to figure out which token to shut down?

Or is it "contact them, hope they fess up"?

more the latter. :(

in the case I outlined in the doc, the person in question use their work email for the "personal use" account.

#dumbfuck

I've answered your questions. please resolve them once you read them.

Is there a way to put, dunno, a track title in a recording for test artist that matches the first two and last two chars of their token? Guess not

some trap like that would be useful, yes.

but might be impractical.

full dumps can be downloaded without any token

yvanzo: sure, but them using full dumps is legit, so in that case there's nothing to do :)

mayhem: ok, added two sentences based on your comments, see if they make sense

it would require that the trap was in the code which might not be unnoticed then

Sure. We might never catch very dedicated cheaters, but we might catch less dedicated ones :)

Not sure how practical it is, anyway

hints are probably not

aerozol, reosarevok: so what i'm getting from that is I should definitely *not* play "cuphead" :|

I think you might not be a fan, yes (I haven't tried it)

Probably also not Hollow Knight

alastairp: the generated html docs aren't interactive :/

ah nvm i found another way, docs are generated on the fly on browser load instead of build time just need to have the openapi.json file at a publicly accessible url.

looks good!

[listenbrainz-android] 1407jasjeet opened pull request #33 (03main…re-fix-firstStartError-jasje): Fixed firstStartError and fixed notification of brainzplayer https://github.com/metabrainz/listenbrainz-andr...

akshaaatt: fixed some stuff in #33 check it out!

advice for incoming GSoCers https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/kP73i...

[musicbrainz-server] 14reosarevok merged pull request #2451 (03master…document-tests-10): Improve test documentation (X): Shared tests (Create) https://github.com/metabrainz/musicbrainz-serve...

!remember gsoc https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Development/Summer...

!remember gsoc=https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Development/S...

I will remember "gsoc" for you rdswift.

!recall gsoc

:D

Pratha-Fish: xD true

CatQuest: play ten minutes of Cuphead to appreciate the animation! But that's it! Aww hollow knight is so good, but yeah maybe not as well :(

[listenbrainz-android] 1407jasjeet opened pull request #34 (03main…MOBILE-96-jasje): Mobile-96 https://github.com/metabrainz/listenbrainz-andr...

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aerozol: Hollow Knight is so far the only "hard as nails" game which I liked enough to play until I finished

I should try Elden Ring at some point, and I'm excited for the HK sequel

But in general, it's like "why am I doing this to myself"

HK just had the perfect vibe to make me keep trying (and at least when I tried to beat the Mantis Lords for the 12345th time, I got to hear that choooon again)

Such a good game! I accidentally beat the circus without getting my upgraded stuff first and it made me annoyed so I stopped haha. But I did beat the main story. Maybe I'll have the energy for the sequel in another five years...