#metabrainz

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      • lucifer
        reosarevok: i'll relay the memo
      • 2023-05-29 14927, 2023

      • rdswift
        Realistically, why would a new editor really need to vote? Most new editors don't even understand the voting process. The primary exception is sockpuppets.
      • 2023-05-29 14929, 2023

      • CatQuest
        because we have so many edits autoediting
      • 2023-05-29 14933, 2023

      • reosarevok
        Yes, I was going to say
      • 2023-05-29 14939, 2023

      • CatQuest
        a person cna have several months witouth 10 edits
      • 2023-05-29 14956, 2023

      • reosarevok
        I *like* that you don't have to wait until you get 10 edits, but I was thinking we should at least have some sort of a time limit
      • 2023-05-29 14900, 2023

      • akshaaatt
        lucifer, can you please lead the agenda?
      • 2023-05-29 14904, 2023

      • CatQuest
        yep i agree
      • 2023-05-29 14904, 2023

      • reosarevok
        A day or two seems enough to discourage most sockpuppeting
      • 2023-05-29 14910, 2023

      • akshaaatt is actually travelling rn
      • 2023-05-29 14911, 2023

      • yvanzo
        šŸ‘ to rdswift
      • 2023-05-29 14914, 2023

      • CatQuest
        mmm..
      • 2023-05-29 14916, 2023

      • lucifer
        akshaaatt: šŸ‘
      • 2023-05-29 14922, 2023

      • CatQuest
        3 days min i say
      • 2023-05-29 14952, 2023

      • CatQuest
        and then they cna get a "yo ucna now vote" banner popup ting wich links ot hpw vptong wprks?
      • 2023-05-29 14952, 2023

      • monkey
        I'd say a week is already pretty short.
      • 2023-05-29 14952, 2023

      • reosarevok
        Another option would be to keep 2 weeks and drop the 10 edit requirement for "beginner" tbh
      • 2023-05-29 14956, 2023

      • yvanzo
        I don’t think that voting is something any beginner would be able to do.
      • 2023-05-29 14910, 2023

      • CatQuest
        I don't super agree but I think i get it
      • 2023-05-29 14914, 2023

      • reosarevok
        Because you can add a thousand releases, well, without ever getting 10 voted-through edits
      • 2023-05-29 14916, 2023

      • CatQuest
        a week is fine
      • 2023-05-29 14920, 2023

      • yvanzo
        Keeping the usual beginner requirements seem good.
      • 2023-05-29 14935, 2023

      • rdswift
        The time frams should be no less than the time for an edit to go through voting. That should truly discourage sockpuppets.
      • 2023-05-29 14939, 2023

      • reosarevok
        (since those auto-apply)
      • 2023-05-29 14942, 2023

      • rdswift
        *frame*
      • 2023-05-29 14944, 2023

      • reosarevok
        rdswift: that's a fair point :)
      • 2023-05-29 14948, 2023

      • CatQuest
        i do think that once it's made possible to vote, we shoudl put in a link to stuff and a "congrats" or something :P
      • 2023-05-29 14951, 2023

      • yvanzo
        Voting requires a bit of knowledge of the editing process to start with.
      • 2023-05-29 14907, 2023

      • CatQuest
        yea
      • 2023-05-29 14924, 2023

      • reosarevok
        honestly, the other option I could see is make it so *all beginner edits are automatically votable*
      • 2023-05-29 14945, 2023

      • reosarevok
        That'd mean a prolific editor would get 10 edits through before the two weeks are in, and probably cut a lot of auto-added bad stuff
      • 2023-05-29 14945, 2023

      • yvanzo
        that's good too
      • 2023-05-29 14955, 2023

      • rdswift
        Didn't that used to be the case? I'm good with that.
      • 2023-05-29 14904, 2023

      • CatQuest
        mm.. would encourage even more sockpuppets imo
      • 2023-05-29 14912, 2023

      • jasje
        <Yvanzo: I don’t think that voting is something any beginner would be able to do.>
      • 2023-05-29 14914, 2023

      • reosarevok
        CatQuest: doesn't help if they can't vote tho :)
      • 2023-05-29 14921, 2023

      • jasje
        I can confirm first hand
      • 2023-05-29 14946, 2023

      • CatQuest
        well we do the thing that if you f up wou cna autoedit your fix witin 24 hours tho
      • 2023-05-29 14957, 2023

      • petitminion has quit
      • 2023-05-29 14903, 2023

      • reosarevok
        Ok, thanks for the useful discussion, I got a bunch of good possibilities from here, and the conviction that we should wait a week at least anyway
      • 2023-05-29 14907, 2023

      • reosarevok
        Will think it through from here
      • 2023-05-29 14918, 2023

      • reosarevok
        lucifer cc akshaaatt: profile pics!
      • 2023-05-29 14923, 2023

      • lucifer
        hi all!
      • 2023-05-29 14925, 2023

      • CatQuest
        ara?
      • 2023-05-29 14934, 2023

      • CatQuest
        hmm!
      • 2023-05-29 14912, 2023

      • lucifer
        To improve the UI of the mobile apps, we want to add profile pictures for users. It probably makes sense to make it common across all our projects.
      • 2023-05-29 14925, 2023

      • reosarevok
        So, there was the idea for a long time to use Discourse profile pics on MB
      • 2023-05-29 14928, 2023

      • lucifer
        However, that comes with many issues, especially moderation.
      • 2023-05-29 14933, 2023

      • CatQuest
        yes!
      • 2023-05-29 14940, 2023

      • reosarevok
        I forget if bitmap researched how that'd work
      • 2023-05-29 14943, 2023

      • mayhem
        I like this topic.
      • 2023-05-29 14944, 2023

      • lucifer
        so thoughts on if/how to do it?
      • 2023-05-29 14953, 2023

      • mayhem
        let people select cover art!
      • 2023-05-29 14958, 2023

      • mayhem
        and only cover art
      • 2023-05-29 14959, 2023

      • CatQuest
        I had one idea. what if we allowed peopel to use a coerart of a releae as a profile pic?
      • 2023-05-29 14905, 2023

      • monkey
        I've thought in the past selecting a cover art would be a good solution
      • 2023-05-29 14905, 2023

      • lucifer
        that's one possible way we discussed,
      • 2023-05-29 14907, 2023

      • CatQuest
        HA
      • 2023-05-29 14910, 2023

      • monkey
        ^
      • 2023-05-29 14911, 2023

      • CatQuest
        mayhem: ++++
      • 2023-05-29 14916, 2023

      • mayhem
        seems like there is support for this.
      • 2023-05-29 14918, 2023

      • lucifer
        people can choose a cover art from CAA as their profile pic.
      • 2023-05-29 14919, 2023

      • mayhem
        it just makes sense.
      • 2023-05-29 14933, 2023

      • reosarevok
        So
      • 2023-05-29 14936, 2023

      • CatQuest
        wow cool
      • 2023-05-29 14936, 2023

      • monkey also thinks that could work if we end up with books in CAA
      • 2023-05-29 14938, 2023

      • lucifer
        just one concern, are there chances people will spam CAA due to this?
      • 2023-05-29 14953, 2023

      • CatQuest
        yes but then that's coc an we can report them
      • 2023-05-29 14959, 2023

      • reosarevok
      • 2023-05-29 14900, 2023

      • mayhem
        yeah.
      • 2023-05-29 14911, 2023

      • mayhem
        I think the spam is a problem we can solve if it comes up.
      • 2023-05-29 14914, 2023

      • CatQuest
        reo.
      • 2023-05-29 14916, 2023

      • lucifer
        sounds good.
      • 2023-05-29 14926, 2023

      • mayhem
        lol @ reo
      • 2023-05-29 14938, 2023

      • reosarevok
        Ok, I kid, but my point was, there's a lot of stuff in CAA we might not like as people's profile pics maybe?
      • 2023-05-29 14939, 2023

      • mayhem
        #ostrichsolution
      • 2023-05-29 14940, 2023

      • lucifer
        we can store this info in LB to start with and later move it to MeB level
      • 2023-05-29 14950, 2023

      • reosarevok
        Not that *I* care, anyway, but :)
      • 2023-05-29 14951, 2023

      • lucifer
        and all projects make use of it as they deem fit
      • 2023-05-29 14952, 2023

      • mayhem
        reosarevok: lets not worry about.
      • 2023-05-29 14954, 2023

      • mayhem
        it
      • 2023-05-29 14900, 2023

      • mayhem
        lucifer: +1
      • 2023-05-29 14910, 2023

      • monkey
        +2
      • 2023-05-29 14912, 2023

      • yvanzo
        Syncing it with Discourse would be great.
      • 2023-05-29 14912, 2023

      • lucifer
        that's it for the topic then
      • 2023-05-29 14912, 2023

      • CatQuest
        +3
      • 2023-05-29 14921, 2023

      • lucifer
        yvanzo: yes makes sense
      • 2023-05-29 14923, 2023

      • mayhem
        I suppose we can make a community guidelines that says, "don't pick dic pics, please"
      • 2023-05-29 14927, 2023

      • reosarevok
        The main reason I like this idea is because replacing everyone's profile pic with Rick Astley's is easier than ever that way
      • 2023-05-29 14928, 2023

      • mayhem
        and if they do, we can deal with them
      • 2023-05-29 14934, 2023

      • CatQuest
        i honestly don't care if peopl pick a dick
      • 2023-05-29 14942, 2023

      • CatQuest
        reosarevok:
      • 2023-05-29 14943, 2023

      • lucifer
        reosarevok: next april fools :)
      • 2023-05-29 14949, 2023

      • mayhem
        I dont either, but others in the community might
      • 2023-05-29 14953, 2023

      • CatQuest
      • 2023-05-29 14956, 2023

      • jasje
        mayhem: ples dont deal with them šŸ˜¶ā€šŸŒ«ļø
      • 2023-05-29 14919, 2023

      • mayhem
        heh.
      • 2023-05-29 14940, 2023

      • mayhem
        we're done with this topic?
      • 2023-05-29 14944, 2023

      • reosarevok
        "Anyone who picks an NSFW pic will be forced to use Rick Astley for a year once we find out"
      • 2023-05-29 14952, 2023

      • mayhem
        DEAL!
      • 2023-05-29 14952, 2023

      • CatQuest
        i mena that's a great solution
      • 2023-05-29 14953, 2023

      • mayhem
        WINNER!
      • 2023-05-29 14954, 2023

      • monkey
        Haha
      • 2023-05-29 14904, 2023

      • jasje
        time to go to fresh releases for my new profile pic
      • 2023-05-29 14909, 2023

      • CatQuest
        :DDD
      • 2023-05-29 14919, 2023

      • yvanzo
        but a SFW Rick Astley then.
      • 2023-05-29 14925, 2023

      • CatQuest
        ( ͔° ĶœŹ– ͔°)
      • 2023-05-29 14950, 2023

      • reosarevok
        But a SFW Rick Astley is never gonna get yours up
      • 2023-05-29 14957, 2023

      • mayhem
        groan.
      • 2023-05-29 14957, 2023

      • reosarevok
        Ok, I think we're done here :D
      • 2023-05-29 14900, 2023

      • mayhem
        yes
      • 2023-05-29 14904, 2023

      • CatQuest
        i don't want ot get in a situiation where a tasteful or artful nude overart. or a weird one or anime titties is considered "worng" can we jsut say "no genitalia?"
      • 2023-05-29 14908, 2023

      • reosarevok
        Thanks everyone! That's a well filled hour
      • 2023-05-29 14923, 2023

      • yvanzo
        1min left
      • 2023-05-29 14925, 2023

      • reosarevok
        We'll discuss implement-ation details later for the NSFW implements
      • 2023-05-29 14936, 2023

      • CatQuest
        maybe we cna jsut dela with it by case by case
      • 2023-05-29 14940, 2023

      • reosarevok
        </BANG> in a SFW way for now
      • 2023-05-29 14944, 2023

      • CatQuest
        lololol
      • 2023-05-29 14921, 2023

      • yvanzo
        rdswift: Thanks for the added sections about template variables and specific items.
      • 2023-05-29 14921, 2023

      • monkey
      • 2023-05-29 14933, 2023

      • mayhem
        LOLOLO
      • 2023-05-29 14933, 2023

      • CatQuest
        omg monkey!
      • 2023-05-29 14939, 2023

      • CatQuest
        <3
      • 2023-05-29 14959, 2023

      • mayhem
        akshaaatt: monkey jasje : got another second?
      • 2023-05-29 14905, 2023

      • monkey
        Shoot
      • 2023-05-29 14910, 2023

      • jasje
        yee
      • 2023-05-29 14913, 2023

      • mayhem
        I've left the LB app scrobbling my listens and it works very well.
      • 2023-05-29 14914, 2023

      • BrainzGit
        [listenbrainz-server] 14MonkeyDo opened pull request #2501 (03master…lb-1235): LB-1235: Add ability to delete listens in missing MB data page https://github.com/metabrainz/listenbrainz-server…
      • 2023-05-29 14930, 2023

      • mayhem
        running rescrobbler is a bad idea, it just gives dupes.
      • 2023-05-29 14936, 2023

      • CatQuest
      • 2023-05-29 14949, 2023

      • mayhem
        the LB app is really good, it collects the listens, no matter where I am.
      • 2023-05-29 14904, 2023

      • mayhem
        BUT, there is one hitch. playing via brainzplayer gives dupes.
      • 2023-05-29 14905, 2023

      • reosarevok
        CatQuest: I can't imagine we'd block that
      • 2023-05-29 14917, 2023

      • CatQuest
      • 2023-05-29 14924, 2023

      • CatQuest
        reosarevok: :D
      • 2023-05-29 14937, 2023

      • monkey
        mayhem: Yeah, it all gets quite complicated
      • 2023-05-29 14942, 2023

      • CatQuest
        :D
      • 2023-05-29 14943, 2023

      • mayhem
        monkey: if we add an option to NOT submit listens from BP, we're good.
      • 2023-05-29 14949, 2023

      • jasje
        mayhem: on app brainzPlayer gives dupes?
      • 2023-05-29 14902, 2023

      • monkey
        Yeah, but then that breaks everyone else who doesn't submit throught the mobile app
      • 2023-05-29 14921, 2023

      • mayhem
        yes, i play a brainzplayer track on web, it enters a listen and the LB app sees that I am playing via spotify and submits one as well.
      • 2023-05-29 14940, 2023

      • CatQuest
        wish there was a way ot go to an artist and see all the coverarts on releases in one page
      • 2023-05-29 14940, 2023

      • mayhem
        monkey: if we make an option to turn that feature off, we're good.
      • 2023-05-29 14947, 2023

      • yvanzo
        akshaaatt: Does MB Android and LB Android support translations? If so, it would be great to have a page such as https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/MusicBrainz_Picard/I…
      • 2023-05-29 14950, 2023

      • mayhem
        default ON.
      • 2023-05-29 14952, 2023

      • monkey
        Yes, that's definitely doable
      • 2023-05-29 14959, 2023

      • monkey
        Probably a good idea anyway
      • 2023-05-29 14903, 2023

      • mayhem
        I think we should -- it makes a good solution.
      • 2023-05-29 14912, 2023

      • bitmap
        yvanzo: figured out why the update dbdefs script wasn't working locally, submitted a PR to docker-server-configs
      • 2023-05-29 14915, 2023

      • jasje
        i might need more clarity here