the python requests module cannot call the labs.api endpoint for the reason that lucifer mentioned before where a local update fixes the problem. but how many other legit callers will get a failed call??
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mayhem
time to look at this tomorrow
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zas
mayhem: I had a look, there's a problem with redis (keydb)
Twitter and reddit going up as well - shall I do hacker news again? Our last one ended up doing okay - I only got accused of being an LLM twice :D https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36150062
2023-06-12 16357, 2023
mayhem
wow, 128 upvotes aint bad. sure, lets keep going!
2023-06-12 16359, 2023
mayhem
also moooin!
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mayhem
so, how do we put in something into our messages that makes it clear an AI didn't write it? Time to get a little snark in?
2023-06-12 16351, 2023
reosarevok
lucifer, mayhem: still no answer for "Export Listens fails" from 7 days ago, unless one of you did and forgot to cc support :) Can one of you take a look and put together a short answer at least? :)
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VojtchFonr[m]
isn't a canonical recording the same as Work?
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reosarevok
VojtchFonr[m]: it should not be - works can be recorded by many artists for example :)
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mayhem
reosarevok: ok, sorry.
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reosarevok
No worries :) Just a heads up
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aerozol
mayhem: I think it’s because we just put in the press release, which was very professional! I’ll do another that wont be professional sounding, why not, let’s compare
2023-06-12 16305, 2023
aerozol
moooin!
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reosarevok
VojtchFonr[m]: a work and a recording are "real things", a canonical recording is just shorthand for uses who don't need anything better than "this is roughly that I guess?"
2023-06-12 16331, 2023
reosarevok
Which is a lot of the uses, really, it seems
2023-06-12 16300, 2023
aerozol
mayhem: I’ve drafted the tutorial blog post, could you please have a look and make sure that the formatting etc makes sense, particularly where I’ve placed code blocks: https://wordpress.com/post/blog.metabrainz.org/10…
2023-06-12 16357, 2023
aerozol
mayhem: no rush, I’ll post it in a week. I wont schedule it to make sure I’m online to share it
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VojtchFonr[m]
reosarevok: oh interesting
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VojtchFonr[m]
reosarevok: but tbh I cant see where that would be better than using the Work (except that a lot of recordings dont have an associated work from what I saw)
2023-06-12 16314, 2023
reosarevok
Well that's one thing
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reosarevok
But also, you might want to say "it's this artist's performance of the song" and still not care if it's live or studio for example
2023-06-12 16343, 2023
reosarevok
Like, it's not the same to say "I like Eurythmics - Sweet Dreams" or "I like Sweet Dreams" (maybe you only know and like the Marilyn Manson version)
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reosarevok
In an ideal world tbh I wish nobody would want canonical recordings - that'd mean our data is great, all duplicates are merged, and you can just say "I like the studio version / the 1995 live version / whatever"
2023-06-12 16338, 2023
reosarevok
But eh
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VojtchFonr[m]
reosarevok: ooh now i see, thanks
2023-06-12 16357, 2023
VojtchFonr[m]
xd yeah i understand that
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mayhem
reosarevok: I am running the meeting today, yes?
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reosarevok
No, *next* Monday :)
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reosarevok
I mean, if you want to do it today you can, but I'm around so no need
2023-06-12 16323, 2023
mayhem
oh perfect. K is doing a monologue performance right during the meeting. in the community center next to the office, conveniently. so, I'll need to duck out by 19:30.
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reosarevok
Ok. Remind me to call you early then
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mayhem
yhx
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CatQuest
dear bitmap, at your leasure, as I know you are very busy, I was wondering about MBS-13090
aerozol: should our sub-reddits go dark for today/tomorrow?
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aerozol
Hmm, good question. What’s MeB’s position on charging for API access?
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mayhem
well, we don't charge for non-commercial. and for commercial we charge *fair* rates according to each supporter. the point being fair.
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aerozol
I mean more what’s our position about others charging heaps for API access. I don’t use any reddit apps/mod tools so I’m not very up to date with this movement I must say...
2023-06-12 16302, 2023
aerozol
Basically, happy to turn em off and on again, if you/others think I should
2023-06-12 16325, 2023
atj
"I mean more what’s our position about others charging heaps for API access." - I think the general position of "fuck late stage capitalism" applies here
2023-06-12 16304, 2023
mayhem
aerozol: atj put his finger on it.
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mayhem
I think breaking a commiunity for greed is clearly a bad proposition
2023-06-12 16318, 2023
aerozol
I don’t disagree with “fuck capitalism” at all, just don’t want to make the call for MeB
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atj
building up communities using VC money and then ripping it all down when you realise you've built a business model that won't make them money is bad and should be called out
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mayhem
I'm happy to make that call.
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mayhem
that is not ok in our community.
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aerozol
Cool, will make them private now
2023-06-12 16327, 2023
aerozol
re this: I’m going to raise this at a meeting I can make - we could aim to drop Twitter within a year (for example) of double-posting to there and Mastodon and/or elsewhere
2023-06-12 16301, 2023
aerozol
reddits darkened 😱
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mayhem
I'm waiting for the twitter replacement to emerge. but yes.
2023-06-12 16311, 2023
aerozol
mayhem: Would it be correct to say the new datasets are ‘open-source’? Or is that not a word you use with datasets (doing another hacker news submission)
2023-06-12 16329, 2023
mayhem
More open data -- can I help with the HN submission?
It puts anything you write underneath as a comment - I was just going to try this one with just a headline and the link. Try out the basics. Working title: ’New open dataset: MusicBrainz Canonical Metadata’
2023-06-12 16310, 2023
mayhem
for the blog post, we should be a bit more hyperboilic, I think.
2023-06-12 16313, 2023
aerozol
Now that I’m more familiar with HN I suspect the optimal strategy would be to keep the initial post simple, but then have MeB staff/users comment underneath
2023-06-12 16333, 2023
mayhem
"Build your own music tagger with MusicBrainz canonical data"
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zas
mayhem: ok, I'll add it to nagios, after lunch
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mayhem
I'm happy to comment.
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mayhem
thanks zas.
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aerozol
Happy to hyperbole it up! It was recommended to make multiple HN posts, because they disappear so quickly, so I don’t think we have to get them perfect
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mayhem
lets learn how to make things stick on HN!
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aerozol
“New MusicBrainz dataset will LITERALLY blow your brain”
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mayhem
I think that is the best avenue for us to get geeks informed.
