<aerozol[m]> "@fettuccinae:matrix.org: last..." <- Hey, i pmed it to you few days ago
aerozol[m]
Hey! Oops I forgot about the pm soz 😅
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wileyfoxyx[m]
Got notifications from this channel for some reason, and was about to say @fettuccinae:matrix.org that Matrix-to-Discord mirror doesn't support PMs yet because I thought it was directed to me 😁
TOPIC: MetaBrainz Community and Development channel | MusicBrainz non-development: #musicbrainz | BookBrainz: #bookbrainz | Channel is logged and not empty as it is bridged to IRC; see https://musicbrainz.org/doc/ChatBrainz for details | Agenda (May 26): Reviews
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reosarevok[m]
I forgot to bring up yesterday that since next Monday is schema change day, we will NOT have a standard meeting! Next meeting is May 26! ansh, bitmap , julian45, lucifer, mayhem, monkey, yvanzo, zas, LupinIII (IRC), outsidecontext, jasje, Gautam_coder, Jade , kellnerd, aerozol, @fettuccinae:matrix.org
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yvanzo: I'm off for a little bit but I'll be back in an hour at most I think - let's look at more search stuff? :)
There's of course a bunch of other open PRs there that could be part of such a release, but that depends on whether it makes sense and we have the time
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aerozol: we need to schedule some schema change posts in mastodon and bluesky, do you have some time to help with that?
(between now and Friday would be ideal)
yvanzo[m]
Hi reosarevok: I’m updating docs for releasing MB Solr w/ Solr 9. Feel free to test #50.
reosarevok[m]
Can do
By the way, in the docs:
`time for host in $(ls ../docker-server-configs/scripts/nodes | sed 's/\.sh$//'); do echo; echo "VVV $host VVV"; sshc "$host" sudo su - root -c 'cd /root/docker-server-configs/ && git status --ignored && git fetch --all --prune && git pull --ff-only'; done`
sshc does not seem to be available in these servers - did this actually work last yer?
s//`/, s//`/, s/yer/year/
yvanzo[m]
It is supposed to be run from your own machine. sshc is defined in docker-server-configs.
reosarevok[m]
Also, I tried to do the " Update the MusicBrainz API Search examples in XML and JSON" bit for mine, but that part actually gets updated immediately in /doc pages because of how the transclusion works
So I guess we have to choose: do we do it in advance and it is wrong in the docs until release, or do we wait until release and do it after
yvanzo[m]
in advance and add a disclaimer such as: this page is in advance
reosarevok[m]
yvanzo[m]: Hmm. I was running it in my own machine, from my docker-server-configs folder 🤷♂️
yvanzo[m]
So you have to define sshc in your shell.
Just copy the function to your ~/.bashrc
reosarevok[m]
Ok, thanks, running nowç
Done
For the docs, do you mean you'd just add a banner at the top of https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/MusicBrainz_API/Se... that says "this includes the features to be released soon as part of the MusicBrainz 2025 Q2 schema change" and a link tot he blog?
If that seems good, I can do that for your PR and mine
Goemon
lol, so this one doom/stoner metal norwegian band called slomosa has a song called "Horses" this one swedish doom/sludge metal band called domkraft has a song called "Horses Horses"
I'm eagerly a Finish stoner/sludge band with their song "Horses Horses Horses"
reosarevok[m]
yvanzo: also I just realized we don't yet have AC mbids for non-search API results either, are we expecting to release that together with the search ones?
reosarevok: That will be in a second release, ideally this week too.
reosarevok[m]
I did use the existing MBIDs for the artist credits, used a generated one for the mediums since we don't have that yet :) ç
(argh, I do hate where ç is in this keyboard)
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derat[m]
reosarevok, bitmap: not urgent, but i'm curious about whether either of you have any immediate guesses about the source of the DMARC-failing messages in https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/MBS-14020
BrainzBot
MBS-14020: Email messages are sometimes sent from users' domains and fail DMARC checks
monkey[m]
DMARC is on DWALL — Virginia Woolf
reosarevok[m]
Jade: any idea if that might be related to the new service? ^
Jade[m]
It won't be, the new service hands the emails off to an actual mail server to deliver them, that should handle DMARC, etc
mayhem[m]
@fettuccinae:matrix.org: ping. lets catch up and chat about your project. let me know when you're around.
Jade[m]
Jade[m]: I'd have to check which software is specifically but it'll be the same one handling the old emails
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reosarevok[m]
Thanks
derat: so, no, I don't know - bitmap might
But we've had weird issues with emails for ages (user reports' reply to has been broken for years for example) so... not sure
derat[m]
i think that the issue here is that the From: header has the user's address instead of a metabrainz.org address, so there's probably nothing the outgoing mail server can do at that point
i could try just setting my domain's DMARC policy to reject, but presumably the bounces will just go to /dev/null somewhere, so i doubt it'll help with figuring out which messages these are
reosarevok[m]
I would assume those are then user-to-user messages with "show my email address"
fettuccinae[m]
<mayhem[m]> "@fettuccinae:matrix.org: ping..." <- pong, im here.
in the original spec we had two more fields in the notification table. template_id and template_params.
lucifer[m]
reosarevok: also for edit notes i think
fettuccinae[m]
mayhem[m]: yes, if i understand it correctly, they are used for mb-mail. i thought to add those fields later in additional integration when integrating mb-mail services
derat[m]
reosarevok[m]: that seems like a decent guess, but i think that i never check "show my email address", so i'm not sure why those would be sent
mayhem[m]
lets add those now -- eventually everyone should be using the template system
Would be helpful to see the dmarc reports & the emails themselves triggering it, but I've got an exam in 40 mins 😅
<derat[m]> "i could try just setting my..." <- Does it not have a quarantine option?
Jade[m]: Also sender is flat out always the noreply address 🤷
derat[m]
Jade: it does, but that probably won't help either since the messages would just end up in some gmail user's spam filter :-(
i'd love to see the emails triggering it too! re DMARC reports, i pasted the JSON form that the postmark API gives me in the ticket
Jade[m]
I'll have a deeler look after my exam tomorrow morning
derat[m]
thanks! (just to be clear, i don't think there's anything to suggest that these are coming from the new mail service. i only started looking at DMARC reports recently, so this could've been happening for a long time. also possible that the messages are sent by e.g. jira or discourse, although the messages that i myself receive from those services look okay)
fettuccinae[m]
mayhem: ive added template_id and params. (i forgot user_email field in user table yesterday, so, added that too).
Jade[m]
derat[m]: Yeah, until we can actually get the emails in question it's hard to say anything for sure. Email deliverability stuff is never fun
<derat[m]> "i'd love to see the emails..." <- ah, DMARC. minor bane of my existence at $dayjob
let me see if i can poke at google workspace's logs
derat[m]
julian45: thanks! per the report, it looks like there were 4 messages with `erat.org` in the `From:` header sent from google's servers to google-hosted users between `2025-05-05T00:00:00Z` and `2025-05-05T23:59:59Z`
julian45[m]
any chance you have more logs beyond those you provided in MBS-14020?
something like a message id, to address, etc. would be helpful
(feel free to DM me for stuff that shouldn't be shared in a public, logged channel like this one)
derat[m]
i fear that that's all you can get from DMARC reports, unfortunately. by design, i think that they exclude details about the individual messages; i believe they're just bucketed by something like (day, sender ip, spf/dkim details, result)
alas, google admin console's email log search is kind of ass. if i search for emails sent between 5/4 and 5/5 (in my timezone since that's what the console allows searching time ranges with) with sender email including erat.org, it only shows the weekly meeting you mailed to MeB ~9:20am ET on 5/5
reosarevok[m]
yvanzo: I tried running your branches but it doesn't build indexer, probably because either a) I'm doing something wrong and dumb or b) I have it all set up for py3 but your branch is still py2 :)
julian45: ah well, thanks for checking. based on the infrequency of these, i suspect that they're sent by some feature or service that i only occasionally use. no idea how to figure out which one, though :-/
julian45[m]
<derat[m]> "julian45: ah well, thanks for..." <- np! if each of us had deeper access to email servers than we did, it might be possible to drill down deeper, but alas
mayhem zas : mind if i stand up a new tiny hetzner VM w/i the existing sso "project"? idea is to run a test service or two there to help put authentik through its paces integration-wise
* put authentik (the tool powering auth.meb.o) through its
mayhem[m]
no problem.
how long do you need it for?
julian45[m]
matter of days or weeks, most likely
mayhem[m] will put that in the calendar before creating a VM.
mayhem[m]
give me a deadline please. at that point I will check in with you, but we have a nasty habit of forgetting these machines.
and what specs? what amd? arm?
julian45[m]
mayhem[m]: fair point. call it 6/30 at absolute latest (i will be doing some moving between apartments later this month and may get held up on this front)
mayhem[m]
lets sayt 6/15 and I will check in with you.
julian45[m]
mayhem[m]: i was thinking a hetzner CAX11 (cheapest arm, EUR3.29/mo) should do the trick; if that was not beefy enough for some reason, i'd go to a CAX21 (EUR5.99/mo)
mayhem[m]: works for me
mayhem[m]
ohh, I dunno that. that price seems a bit excessive. 🤣
shall we just go for CAX21?
julian45[m]
works for me
i have enough access to hetzner now to spin it up -- ok if i proceed?
mayhem[m]
do you care where? Helskinki seems the default/cheapest.
hells-kinky! that sounds interesting.
julian45[m]
i was gonna do nuremberg or falkenstein, in my experience i get measurably lower latency from those datacenters than helsinki here in the midwest US
mayhem[m]
what would you like to name this machine?
julian45[m]
authtestbox, perhaps?
julian45[m] shrugs
mayhem[m]
do you need a ipv6 IP?
ah, no that is included.
julian45[m]
right, and it gets a few tens of cents cheaper per month if you cut out the ipv4 -- i happen to have ipv6 here at my apartment, but not always around here
mayhem[m]
no need for that.
pm'ed you the IP. let me know if you can't get in.
