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      • yyoung
        yvanzo: And most of the time it requires an Apple device of iTunes app to look into the details
      • 2021-06-08 15927, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        a warning woudl be neat indeed
      • 2021-06-08 15937, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        i can't even acces those pages
      • 2021-06-08 15941, 2021

      • reosarevok
        And we should have a report, actually, for releases that both link to a physical and a digital rel
      • 2021-06-08 15948, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        reosarevok: I like it!
      • 2021-06-08 15901, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        is there a ticket for that?
      • 2021-06-08 15902, 2021

      • yvanzo
        reosarevok: We should probably make easier to duplicate releases in these cases.
      • 2021-06-08 15903, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        i cna make it
      • 2021-06-08 15914, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        yvanzo: you took the words right outa my brain
      • 2021-06-08 15915, 2021

      • reosarevok
        yvanzo: that too - there's a release cloner script by jesus, but I haven't tried it much
      • 2021-06-08 15928, 2021

      • yyoung
        Some iTunes US pages are even 404 for me, not sure about the reason though
      • 2021-06-08 15932, 2021

      • yvanzo
        yyoung: Right, so that should be investigated by someone of the community being an iTunes user, not us.
      • 2021-06-08 15932, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        yyoung: prooobably because some thing about chinese ip 🙄
      • 2021-06-08 15932, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        I don't use itunes, amazon music or spotify. deezer
      • 2021-06-08 15932, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        I use bandcamp. even in my scurvy old browser it *works*
      • 2021-06-08 15932, 2021

      • yyoung
        ZaphodBeeblebrox: maybe, I tried with a Singapore VPN and it's fine, but redirected to Apple music
      • 2021-06-08 15932, 2021

      • yvanzo
        yyoung: you might be able to gather more details from: https://tickets.metabrainz.org/issues/?jql=projec…
      • 2021-06-08 15932, 2021

      • yvanzo
        yyoung: otherwise ask editors on #musicbrainz or through community forums.
      • 2021-06-08 15932, 2021

      • yyoung
        yvanzo: I looked at some of them before, feels like a mess for iTunes
      • 2021-06-08 15932, 2021

      • reosarevok
        ZaphodBeeblebrox: I dunno if there's a ticket, but I can check and work on it
      • 2021-06-08 15932, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        reosarevok: :D
      • 2021-06-08 15932, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        i ahv some bb tickets to write today too so that works well
      • 2021-06-08 15932, 2021

      • yvanzo
        yyoung: it is :/
      • 2021-06-08 15928, 2021

      • yvanzo
        yyoung: its “closed” nature is the main issue with documenting it.
      • 2021-06-08 15940, 2021

      • yyoung
        Exactly.
      • 2021-06-08 15932, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        and a bookbrainz plugin on QuodLibet should be possible amiright?
      • 2021-06-08 15901, 2021

      • yyoung
        yvanzo: So now that we're clear that mail-order should be an independent relationship, are other logically possible combinations acceptable?
      • 2021-06-08 15921, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        streaming + dl
      • 2021-06-08 15941, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        it's the only one i cna think of tbh
      • 2021-06-08 15952, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
      • 2021-06-08 15929, 2021

      • reosarevok
        ZaphodBeeblebrox: we have https://musicbrainz.org/report/ReleasesWithDownlo… - not quite the same though
      • 2021-06-08 15937, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        no
      • 2021-06-08 15953, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        well
      • 2021-06-08 15906, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        it's not digital media+ digital media rel
      • 2021-06-08 15911, 2021

      • reosarevok
        Not sure whether to just add streaming to that report
      • 2021-06-08 15915, 2021

      • reosarevok
        Or to have a separate one
      • 2021-06-08 15925, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        wait does it include release with physical media and "streaming" url?
      • 2021-06-08 15947, 2021

      • reosarevok
        No, just download at the moment, I think
      • 2021-06-08 15950, 2021

      • reosarevok
        But it could be changed
      • 2021-06-08 15955, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        also there should be a report for releases with "purchase for mailorder" + "dl or streaming"
      • 2021-06-08 15916, 2021

      • yvanzo
        yyoung: looks good to me
      • 2021-06-08 15920, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        and visa versa. digital media with "purchase for mailorder"
      • 2021-06-08 15932, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        might be huge overlap here but
      • 2021-06-08 15912, 2021

      • yyoung
        yvanzo: And what about my PR on enhancing error targets?
      • 2021-06-08 15924, 2021

      • yvanzo
        yyoung: to sum up: depending on the external website, multiple relationships can be either combined together or be allowed separately only.
      • 2021-06-08 15933, 2021

      • yvanzo
        yyoung, reosarevok, ZaphodBeeblebrox: There is no other combinations than download+streaming?
      • 2021-06-08 15940, 2021

      • yyoung
        yvanzo: Under 'get the music' category, I think so
      • 2021-06-08 15904, 2021

      • reosarevok
        That's certainly the most common one. There might be free+paid screaming, if they offer higher quality for a price, but that seems unlikely to matter right now
      • 2021-06-08 15913, 2021

      • reosarevok
        eh. streaming. Although, hey, free screaming sounds fun
      • 2021-06-08 15914, 2021

      • yvanzo
        paid screaming? :D
      • 2021-06-08 15949, 2021

      • yyoung
        reosarevok: Good point, thought about that before
      • 2021-06-08 15926, 2021

      • yyoung
        But currently we don't treat trial streaming as free streaming, right?
      • 2021-06-08 15934, 2021

      • reosarevok
        No, not trial :)
      • 2021-06-08 15951, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        yes we do! like beatport and spotify with 30 seconds
      • 2021-06-08 15908, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        I think the majority of these mailorder+ streaming/dl will be bandcamp ones
      • 2021-06-08 15904, 2021

      • yvanzo
        yyoung: It looks good overall but it's huge, I did not read it all yet :)
      • 2021-06-08 15949, 2021

      • reosarevok
        ZaphodBeeblebrox: we don't generally link to spotify 30 seconds, spotify is AFAICT still free (with ads) full length with an account, no?
      • 2021-06-08 15905, 2021

      • yyoung
        yvanzo: It certainly has some trivial points that may need discussion :)
      • 2021-06-08 15909, 2021

      • lucifer
        yvanzo: can you please setup BrainzGit for https://github.com/metabrainz/metric-writer/ when you have some time.
      • 2021-06-08 15916, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        i wouldn't know becase i fogot my password and you need faceboo kand genders to create a new ccount
      • 2021-06-08 15929, 2021

      • yyoung
        yvanzo: And about the new URL input dialog, seems we haven't recived any other input, should I start implementing it?
      • 2021-06-08 15920, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        yyoung: new url dialogue?
      • 2021-06-08 15943, 2021

      • yyoung
        The coding period starts today, I'm worrying if I'm getting a good start :)
      • 2021-06-08 15906, 2021

      • yyoung
        ZaphodBeeblebrox: yvanzo suggested a separate dialog for URL input last week
      • 2021-06-08 15944, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        ok? wher in the release editor?
      • 2021-06-08 15927, 2021

      • shivam-kapila
        Congrats LB team on 1500 PRs 🎉
      • 2021-06-08 15938, 2021

      • yyoung
        Just for URL input, excluding relationships, it contains a raw URL and a clean URL
      • 2021-06-08 15951, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        uh
      • 2021-06-08 15910, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        but i don't get it, does it mean there is a dialogue nstead of fields in the release editor
      • 2021-06-08 15953, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        i like the fields. it makes it simple to paste many links if there are
      • 2021-06-08 15957, 2021

      • yvanzo
        yyoung: answered reosarevok's comments at least :)
      • 2021-06-08 15959, 2021

      • yyoung
        It is just URL text in release editor with a button to open the editing dialog
      • 2021-06-08 15920, 2021

      • yvanzo
        lucifer: there is a page about it in sysadmin wiki )
      • 2021-06-08 15922, 2021

      • yvanzo
        :)
      • 2021-06-08 15934, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        i like the idea of being able to edit url attributes (ended etc)
      • 2021-06-08 15938, 2021

      • yyoung
        yvanzo: Thanks then
      • 2021-06-08 15940, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        but still
      • 2021-06-08 15948, 2021

      • lucifer
        yvanzo: ah! let me check that. thanks!
      • 2021-06-08 15903, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        is this "a box you must dialogue open" or is it still "can i paste 5 links in fields like before"
      • 2021-06-08 15910, 2021

      • yyoung
        That's a good question, adding URL would be different if there's no input box outside
      • 2021-06-08 15945, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        :|
      • 2021-06-08 15952, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        it needs to stil lwork as before
      • 2021-06-08 15906, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        but having an aditional "edit this url" type thing is very good
      • 2021-06-08 15906, 2021

      • yvanzo
        ZaphodBeeblebrox: it should be both
      • 2021-06-08 15919, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        yvanzo: sounds good. is it up on test?
      • 2021-06-08 15923, 2021

      • yvanzo
        no
      • 2021-06-08 15932, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox will happily test it on test
      • 2021-06-08 15917, 2021

      • yyoung
        yvanzo: So we still keep an input box outside but with a dialog to view the clean URL?
      • 2021-06-08 15943, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        yyoung: i'm confused what you mean with "outside" tbh
      • 2021-06-08 15902, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        you mean *in* the relationship editor right?
      • 2021-06-08 15920, 2021

      • yyoung
        I mean in the editor but outside the dialog :)
      • 2021-06-08 15929, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        yes but the dialogue isn't a thing yet
      • 2021-06-08 15940, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        and the dialogue itself is *in* the release editor
      • 2021-06-08 15902, 2021

      • yyoung
        OK then :D
      • 2021-06-08 15903, 2021

      • yvanzo
        ZaphodBeeblebrox: it's work in progress, even for the design part, but the plan is to gradually release changes, not to wait for the end of GSoC project.
      • 2021-06-08 15903, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        you're working fro m"within" this dialogue
      • 2021-06-08 15920, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        yvanzo: that soudns like a great idea
      • 2021-06-08 15948, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        yyoung: but remember that us who don't evne know the details will think of it as "within the (thing we already know)"
      • 2021-06-08 15916, 2021

      • yyoung
        Sorry for no deliverable feature so far :)
      • 2021-06-08 15923, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        by all means. don't worry
      • 2021-06-08 15925, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        yyoung: the only thin ki really care about is that already excisting features aren't subplanted or changed in such a way that usecases are radically changed
      • 2021-06-08 15930, 2021

      • reosarevok
        yyoung: hey, you've fixed several bugs and issues by now :)
      • 2021-06-08 15937, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        indeed
      • 2021-06-08 15948, 2021

      • yvanzo
        yyoung: yes you're getting a good start :)
      • 2021-06-08 15948, 2021

      • yyoung
        ZaphodBeeblebrox: We're trying for that :)
      • 2021-06-08 15905, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        yyoung: ace!
      • 2021-06-08 15948, 2021

      • yyoung
        reosarevok, yvanzo: Thank you, just hoping to start early for GSoC project :)
      • 2021-06-08 15947, 2021

      • yvanzo
        yyoung: Maybe the input after "Add another link" could create a new item in the list (with link to a dialog box) instead of being an item like others?
      • 2021-06-08 15933, 2021

      • yvanzo
        I mean it should probably not share the same code as items having URL entered.
      • 2021-06-08 15950, 2021

      • yvanzo
        (Just an idea)
      • 2021-06-08 15939, 2021

      • yvanzo
        So that editors can still paste new URLs in an input field, and URLs can still be edited with a rich dialog box.
      • 2021-06-08 15902, 2021

      • yyoung
        So how will the appearance differ?
      • 2021-06-08 15931, 2021

      • yyoung
        Are we displaying input boxes both in the editor and the dialog?
      • 2021-06-08 15911, 2021

      • yvanzo
        input box only in dialog box and the last item for adding extra URL
      • 2021-06-08 15922, 2021

      • yvanzo
        s/input box/input field/
      • 2021-06-08 15933, 2021

      • ritiek joined the channel
      • 2021-06-08 15901, 2021

      • yyoung
        So users cannot edit existing links without opening the dialog?
      • 2021-06-08 15917, 2021

      • yvanzo
        right
      • 2021-06-08 15934, 2021

      • yyoung
        Sounds reasonable
      • 2021-06-08 15953, 2021

      • BrainzGit
        [musicbrainz-server] 14reosarevok opened pull request #2132 (03master…MBS-11696): MBS-11696: Disallow Twitter documentation links https://github.com/metabrainz/musicbrainz-server/…
      • 2021-06-08 15907, 2021

      • yyoung
        ZaphodBeeblebrox: What do you think? :)
      • 2021-06-08 15945, 2021

      • yvanzo
        So users can edit existing links by knowing what they do thanks to details in dialog box (the goal is not to complicate their workflow).
      • 2021-06-08 15943, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        [11:52] <yvanzo> input box only in dialog box <-- :|
      • 2021-06-08 15957, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        [11:53] <yyoung> So users cannot edit existing links without opening the dialog?
      • 2021-06-08 15957, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        no good
      • 2021-06-08 15918, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        ok
      • 2021-06-08 15929, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        tbh i have to see it in action before i actually say
      • 2021-06-08 15945, 2021

      • yvanzo
        Right, it's very abstract right now.
      • 2021-06-08 15950, 2021

      • ZaphodBeeblebrox nods
      • 2021-06-08 15924, 2021

      • yyoung
        So do I need to make a UI prototype for this? would take some time though
      • 2021-06-08 15950, 2021

      • yvanzo
        yyoung: maybe fix the label position in your current PR first :)
      • 2021-06-08 15905, 2021

      • yvanzo
        it might require to update Selenium tests too (?)
      • 2021-06-08 15935, 2021

      • yyoung
        yvanzo: Sure, what about the default option?
      • 2021-06-08 15946, 2021

      • yvanzo
        reosarevok: does the answer seem reasonable? having a default that catch all options: either url or relationship, so to prevent error type mismatch if type is missing?
      • 2021-06-08 15952, 2021

      • yyoung
        About the selenium tests, I put the target in another div so it isn't selected now
      • 2021-06-08 15902, 2021

      • reosarevok
        yvanzo: sure, I guess :)
      • 2021-06-08 15925, 2021

      • yyoung
        Since the target is only displayed temporarily, I guess no selenium test is needed for that?
      • 2021-06-08 15942, 2021

      • alastairp
      • 2021-06-08 15949, 2021

      • alastairp
        fastly doesn't seem to be having a good day today
      • 2021-06-08 15909, 2021

      • alastairp
        yeah, looks like they use fastly too
      • 2021-06-08 15927, 2021

      • alastairp
      • 2021-06-08 15946, 2021

      • ruaok
        zas: ping
      • 2021-06-08 15921, 2021

      • yvanzo
        yyoung: right
      • 2021-06-08 15930, 2021

      • zas
        pong
      • 2021-06-08 15907, 2021

      • reosarevok
        Also github has some static stuff like images missing for me, wonder if connected. Anyway
      • 2021-06-08 15922, 2021

      • yyoung
        yvanzo: I'll have to go for dinner now, catch you later
      • 2021-06-08 15923, 2021

      • yvanzo
        Ok, me too
      • 2021-06-08 15940, 2021

      • yvanzo
        (for lunch)
      • 2021-06-08 15937, 2021

      • alastairp
        good idea, might do the same and wait for the internet to come back
      • 2021-06-08 15948, 2021

      • ruaok
        zas: shall we schedule the prince move?