and i evidently chose the wrong relationship type to do this form of "crediting"
2022-03-17 07632, 2022
reosarevok
soundandvision: yeah, if we decide to support this more properly then we'll eventually need to add such a relationship, I guess?
2022-03-17 07646, 2022
reosarevok
*such a relationship type
2022-03-17 07607, 2022
soundandvision
just thought it was a fun bit of data to track ultimately
2022-03-17 07647, 2022
mayhem
hmmm, lots of words there, not sure what is being said in that article.
2022-03-17 07649, 2022
Freso
soundandvision: I would personally love for MB to store "top X" lists (could no doubt be interesting for machine learning stuff too), but as mayhem said before (re: copyright) “what we think of this and whether we agree with this are largely meaningless.”
2022-03-17 07658, 2022
aerozol
I think it's just meant to be a musing but thought it was nice to see what they saw as useful from the different 'here are your music stat' services
2022-03-17 07610, 2022
aerozol
(just finishing reading now too)
2022-03-17 07635, 2022
aerozol
Spotify: useless, last.fm: that genre graph is just too good, listenbrainz: does very well considering this blogger is an avid Discogs fan. Well done all round tbh
2022-03-17 07613, 2022
Freso
soundandvision: (FWIW, I did a uni course a year or so back on "The Swedish Music Industry" which also covered a ton of (Swedish) copyright law. In my final assignment I wrote a lot of not-nice things about both the music industry, labels, rights organisations, and copyright law and still got away with a top grade. 😅 )
2022-03-17 07643, 2022
aerozol
Any idea why listenbrainz would display less scrobbles for last year than lastfm? I'll leave them a comment if there's a good answer
2022-03-17 07631, 2022
mayhem
there are a number of possible reasons:
2022-03-17 07600, 2022
mayhem
1. if listens travel via last.fm, some might get lost. last.fm is not the most reliable service these days.
2022-03-17 07633, 2022
mayhem
2. We are pickier about the quality of listens -- we'll reject data that is clearly crap.
2022-03-17 07614, 2022
mayhem
3. Unless this user has done due diligence on their listens, one cannot judge the quality of listens by their total count. LB could've missed some. last.fm could have a pile of dupes.
2022-03-17 07644, 2022
CatQuest
[12:45] <lucifer> my personal top 100 could be a collection instead
2022-03-17 07644, 2022
CatQuest
+1 to this
2022-03-17 07647, 2022
aerozol
Thanks! No 3. means we are stricter on timestamp overlaps?
2022-03-17 07658, 2022
mayhem
stricter overall.
2022-03-17 07626, 2022
mayhem
duplicates in particular are a key issue.
2022-03-17 07658, 2022
lucifer
alastairp: hi! do you remember if there's a case where we would want to set the error message in listens importer table but not clear the external service oauth id?
2022-03-17 07634, 2022
CatQuest
[12:53] <reosarevok> aerozol: ok, I guess we do have "don't make up your own compilations" :)
2022-03-17 07635, 2022
CatQuest
that covers also personal lits imho
2022-03-17 07608, 2022
lucifer
there are ~260 entries in the table. this combination looks wrong to me. i am unsure how these entries ended up this way. i intend to add a constaint at db level for this and run a script to clear the error messages.
2022-03-17 07627, 2022
lucifer
*clear the error messages for these users
2022-03-17 07636, 2022
alastairp
lucifer: hmm, I'm not sure. what kind of error messages are there?
2022-03-17 07645, 2022
lucifer
all kinds actually :/
2022-03-17 07600, 2022
alastairp
this is independent of if the oauth key is up to date?
2022-03-17 07634, 2022
lucifer
no, external service oauth represents the oauth key.
2022-03-17 07651, 2022
soundandvision
is there a guide on how to make the most out of IRC - like quoting people's previous messages?
2022-03-17 07606, 2022
lucifer
so if that id is present we have the oauth key else not.
2022-03-17 07638, 2022
CatQuest
soundandvision: you don't quote on irc (like on matrix) you jsut write their name to reply ot them
2022-03-17 07649, 2022
CatQuest
(like i did just now)
2022-03-17 07657, 2022
soundandvision
I see, thank-you CatQuest
2022-03-17 07602, 2022
CatQuest
👍
2022-03-17 07612, 2022
CatQuest
irc is definitely very.. text-simple
2022-03-17 07625, 2022
CatQuest
but that is why i prefer it actually. no bells and whistles, but works one anything
2022-03-17 07644, 2022
alastairp
lucifer: and you're proposing that we always clear the oauth id if we set an error?
2022-03-17 07645, 2022
CatQuest
on* anything
2022-03-17 07617, 2022
alastairp
lucifer: in this case that we're talking about with the temporary failure in auth, are you planning on setting a message or a log at all?
2022-03-17 07620, 2022
lucifer
alastairp: uh yeah i was but not re-reading it, we decided the opposite so no shouldn't that.
2022-03-17 07629, 2022
lucifer
*but re-reading
2022-03-17 07629, 2022
soundandvision
I guess a possible solution would be to have more functionality in user collections, then people can build whatever lists they like; their own ones, imaginary ones, published elsewhere ones
2022-03-17 07642, 2022
CatQuest
ok an idea re the lists: how about.. we create an user called "billboard" (or something) and these will have collaboratorive lists where anyone can contrbute really
2022-03-17 07600, 2022
tandy1000
<Freso> "soundandvision: I would personal..." <- user collages would be really cool to have in musicbrainz
2022-03-17 07625, 2022
CatQuest
uh uh what are the lists we can make of stuff called again >_<
2022-03-17 07626, 2022
tandy1000
thats what makes sites like redacted, rateyourmusic, etc nice social spaces
2022-03-17 07651, 2022
tandy1000
i think long term musicbrainz and critiquebrainz should be closely integrated
2022-03-17 07600, 2022
CatQuest
collections!
2022-03-17 07613, 2022
Freso
tandy1000: As CatQuest says, we already have collections. :p
2022-03-17 07616, 2022
CatQuest
collaborative collections. and special users which
2022-03-17 07625, 2022
soundandvision
like the things that make collections difficult to use for these kind of "ordered" lists is that there is no way of ordering them by position, like I can do with series
MBS-1658: My Collection: add free text comment field
2022-03-17 07611, 2022
CatQuest
already voted for this
2022-03-17 07638, 2022
CatQuest
reo had a pull open since 2021 on it
2022-03-17 07617, 2022
Freso
https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/MBS-9737 is about collaborative collections. Seems like CatQuest was happy with the current state a year or so ago, so I guess a new (linked?) ticket could/should be made if anyone wants globally-editable collections.
2022-03-17 07618, 2022
BrainzBot
MBS-9737: Community Collections, collections anyone can edit
2022-03-17 07633, 2022
reosarevok
Yes, but it's a *draft* PR I need to work on :/
2022-03-17 07645, 2022
CatQuest
oh no
2022-03-17 07604, 2022
CatQuest
yea
2022-03-17 07613, 2022
CatQuest
Freso: I'll make a ticket if noone else does
2022-03-17 07630, 2022
CatQuest
wait who did mbs-9737
2022-03-17 07640, 2022
CatQuest
wasn't it reo? yo ushould assign yourself reosarevok
MBS-9428: Allow multiple users to share one collection
2022-03-17 07608, 2022
Freso
Changed the link type on MBS-9428 to better reflect this.
2022-03-17 07621, 2022
Freso
Eh.
2022-03-17 07632, 2022
Freso
9737
2022-03-17 07655, 2022
tandy1000
tandy1000: this relies on two other tickets which i have now linked
2022-03-17 07650, 2022
CatQuest
ha
2022-03-17 07652, 2022
CatQuest
"Additionally, there could be a way to create a fully open collection (owned by ModBot or something? Dunno) - that would probably require extra changes, but not sure"
[musicbrainz-server] 14reosarevok opened pull request #2460 (03master…MBS-12263): MBS-12263: Only display "VIAF: " on VIAF pretty links when on sidebar https://github.com/metabrainz/musicbrainz-server/…
2022-03-17 07644, 2022
mayhem
reosarevok: in the MB side-bar, what does "Other Tags" signify?
