and i realise that the fonts being to large is a thing with *me*
2022-04-25 11520, 2022
aerozol
Better than saying ' the home page doesn't look good' once it's all done...
2022-04-25 11521, 2022
CatQuest
there are probably scripts or user prefs that cna be made
2022-04-25 11531, 2022
CatQuest
oh it looks "good"
2022-04-25 11537, 2022
aerozol
Hmm, there's a part in accessibility about accompanying images with text whenever possible
2022-04-25 11538, 2022
CatQuest
but uh. it's very distracting right now :D
2022-04-25 11543, 2022
CatQuest
yes!
2022-04-25 11553, 2022
CatQuest
bot alt and visible text, please
2022-04-25 11521, 2022
aerozol
But for some things like 'expand section' an icon with alt text is probably fine? As it's expected?
2022-04-25 11526, 2022
aerozol
What do we have icons for that bothers you
2022-04-25 11530, 2022
CatQuest
yep, that's fine
2022-04-25 11538, 2022
CatQuest
and x's for removing something and +'s for adding
2022-04-25 11540, 2022
CatQuest
those make sense
2022-04-25 11501, 2022
CatQuest
I've even gotten used to the pencil icon for editing (although a little button that said "edit" wouldn't be hated :P)
2022-04-25 11533, 2022
monkey
Bit late, but: I agree the BB gradient colors need to be adjusted, the original brown look meh as mentioned but the black+orange makes me think of halloween more than books :p
2022-04-25 11533, 2022
CatQuest
I have explisit suggestions for some pages, once we get to thme i'd love to explain
2022-04-25 11545, 2022
CatQuest
it's rather dramatic
2022-04-25 11505, 2022
CatQuest
why not opt for a more golden brown so it looks golden-y
2022-04-25 11533, 2022
CatQuest
or isn't the actual bb brown a bit redder thna that? reddish brown woudl look good
2022-04-25 11503, 2022
aerozol
Well, it's great that we're talking about this, because I don't even know if we want to have the other projects move towards MB? For instance: using gradients
2022-04-25 11508, 2022
CatQuest
I still want the user, data and admin menues to the right though
2022-04-25 11530, 2022
CatQuest
I've even made a script to do this s it 's all the way to the right
2022-04-25 11536, 2022
CatQuest
i *need* them there lol
2022-04-25 11511, 2022
CatQuest
personally I could go witouth gradients. maybe only used in spesific places?
2022-04-25 11543, 2022
CatQuest
i liek the idea someone had of having a slight colour diffence based on wich entity page ou where on
2022-04-25 11502, 2022
alastairp
akshaaatt: you should be able to access that doc now too, it wasn't open to @meb team
2022-04-25 11505, 2022
CatQuest
lord knows bb could do with entity-page differenciation
2022-04-25 11526, 2022
akshaaatt
Thanks alastairp
2022-04-25 11547, 2022
CatQuest
what I *do* like bb does: buttons are thematically coloured, so a remove button wwil lbe red, and add button wil lbe green, and edit one will be orange
2022-04-25 11551, 2022
aerozol
Ooh, will add to my notes. Buttons is a no-brainer for aligning across sites tbh. I don't know any reason not to
2022-04-25 11555, 2022
CatQuest
some more polish to the system maybe, but the idea is sound
2022-04-25 11512, 2022
CatQuest
well mbhas A LOT of buttons that does differnt things
2022-04-25 11525, 2022
CatQuest
(even buttons that imho shoudl be links...)
2022-04-25 11508, 2022
CatQuest
aerozol: how about a : don't use fancy code to do the smae thing simple code can do (eg use simple css isntead of complicate css)
2022-04-25 11543, 2022
CatQuest
if something van be accomplished with a simple div don't use inpage csss and junk
2022-04-25 11501, 2022
aerozol
agreed, but the design guidelines don't venture into code at all at this stage
2022-04-25 11507, 2022
CatQuest
alright
2022-04-25 11515, 2022
aerozol
I've just said 'use the design library, or copy other projects'
2022-04-25 11524, 2022
aerozol
so my concern has mainly been consistency
2022-04-25 11531, 2022
CatQuest
yea. there is some issues
2022-04-25 11548, 2022
CatQuest
afaik lb, cb and bb are all pretty similar
2022-04-25 11557, 2022
CatQuest
mb has more legacy
2022-04-25 11521, 2022
aerozol
p.s. a use of the gradient that I think would be really nice is just a small strip above the footer, for instance
2022-04-25 11543, 2022
aerozol
that's where it gets really tricky - are we making everything look like lb, cb and bb?
2022-04-25 11544, 2022
CatQuest
oh yes, a 1-3pixel high thing like, sure i liek that
2022-04-25 11520, 2022
CatQuest
honestly I would like more mb-fication of the former rather than making mb like the others
2022-04-25 11522, 2022
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2022-04-25 11547, 2022
CatQuest
(with some exeptions, ie colourful buttons)
2022-04-25 11530, 2022
CatQuest
for accessability: ther shoudl be an ability to make fonts larger
2022-04-25 11536, 2022
CatQuest
or, smaller
2022-04-25 11544, 2022
aerozol
on buttons: MB has a lot, but I think they can probably be grouped into a few types. 'link' 'edit' 'navigation' etc
2022-04-25 11549, 2022
CatQuest
yep
2022-04-25 11558, 2022
CatQuest
well links are edits
2022-04-25 11511, 2022
CatQuest
I'd like a colour for edit history
2022-04-25 11516, 2022
aerozol
oh yeah that didn't make sense hah
2022-04-25 11521, 2022
CatQuest
turquoise..
2022-04-25 11525, 2022
CatQuest
that'd be neat
2022-04-25 11536, 2022
aerozol
To make it stand out?
2022-04-25 11539, 2022
CatQuest
yes
2022-04-25 11501, 2022
CatQuest
(also it's one of my favourite colours :D)
2022-04-25 11532, 2022
aerozol
Well, we better make everything turquoise
2022-04-25 11545, 2022
CatQuest
ok so. i have some uscer css things on mb. and one of those is greating a grey "border" like background on mb (becase it used ot have that) and i miss this on the other sites, becase the slight border around pages lets me concentrate on contence of the pages
2022-04-25 11512, 2022
CatQuest
nah, we an have orange-turquoise as thematic colour for GameBrainz or something
2022-04-25 11530, 2022
CatQuest
you better believe VideoBrainz and GameBrainz are going ot be things
2022-04-25 11500, 2022
q3lont
is release_group.last_updated bumped when an associated record is changed? E.g. when a new cover_art is added via one of its child releases?
2022-04-25 11511, 2022
CatQuest
bumped how?
2022-04-25 11517, 2022
CatQuest
oh yea
2022-04-25 11521, 2022
CatQuest
🤔
2022-04-25 11551, 2022
CatQuest
ac it's dinner tim i can't think. must eat
2022-04-25 11506, 2022
lucifer
bitmap: ^ (q3lont's query)
2022-04-25 11549, 2022
PrathameshG[m]
CatQuest: Yea.
2022-04-25 11549, 2022
PrathameshG[m]
Especially when data scraping has become so stupid easy now a days
right off to food and no more screen for me today. i am tired
2022-04-25 11531, 2022
CatQuest
see yas tomorrow
2022-04-25 11548, 2022
q3lont
thinking of moving my pet project to a VPS so that I can run musicbrainz-docker alongside. Updating production db data from my local MB setup is no fun :/
this similar artist playlist is looking quite interesting. very plausible, but clearly treading on different ground than before.
2022-04-25 11504, 2022
mayhem
cautiously optimistic about the new transfer function
2022-04-25 11506, 2022
mayhem
curious to see if this will cause a shift in the ranks. it might very well do that and i think that would be a very good indication and give some confidence to the transfer function. but we'll have to see how that bears out
2022-04-25 11509, 2022
lucifer
the similar artist playlist also recommended a couple of songs i hate but spotify still recommends me constantly so we are definitely inching closer to being par with them at least :)
2022-04-25 11526, 2022
mayhem
oh, lol.
2022-04-25 11503, 2022
lucifer
those were towards the bottom though last 10ish.
2022-04-25 11514, 2022
mayhem
yes, I feel your play history PR is a good step in the right direction, since I'm starting to listen a lot of songs I've listened to already.
2022-04-25 11536, 2022
lucifer
its OOMs currently sadly. otherwise it'd be on test by now.
2022-04-25 11538, 2022
mayhem
and also hated tracks need to get removed from candidate sets.
2022-04-25 11552, 2022
lucifer
i'll debug it tommorrow to see why it does so.
2022-04-25 11554, 2022
mayhem
oy. dreaded OOM
2022-04-25 11521, 2022
mayhem
feels like a huge sigh of relief that things are getting on track.
2022-04-25 11528, 2022
lucifer
indeed.
2022-04-25 11535, 2022
mayhem
I still dont quite grok training numbers, but ok, rank seems to be responding.
2022-04-25 11556, 2022
mayhem
and perhaps lambda will respond more.
2022-04-25 11513, 2022
lucifer
i think we should add K-folds cross testing. training time'll increase but randomness in results will decrease probably.
2022-04-25 11515, 2022
mayhem
unsure about alpha now -- my transfer function kinda already does that.
2022-04-25 11533, 2022
mayhem
got a link where I can read up on k-folds? that term is new to me
basically instead of doing 1 split, do K splits. and train for each split. take the average rmse of each training. choose the model with the best average.
2022-04-25 11558, 2022
mayhem
yes, please. the current training system seems overly simplistic.
2022-04-25 11507, 2022
mayhem
it this something that spark makes relatively easy?
2022-04-25 11557, 2022
lucifer
yes spark has apis for that so i think it should be on the easier side. but i haven't looked into deep enough to be sure but optimistic.
2022-04-25 11501, 2022
aerozol
Of interest: I remember an article about Spotify that said the song it plays after what you picked is one that you would expect, a obvious pick. But that the one after that the user wants something that they like, but wouldn't necessarily have picked themselves
2022-04-25 11521, 2022
aerozol
Peppering something into your tasty broth!
2022-04-25 11543, 2022
lucifer
one thing though i like that. the LB playlists are quite close to what i put on daily on spotify anyways.
2022-04-25 11506, 2022
lucifer
and this is without collecting any fine grained data or demographic etc spotify does,
2022-04-25 11528, 2022
mayhem
lucifer: YESS, that is exactly the sweet spot where we should be. and now with more troi massaging we can start making actual playlists.
2022-04-25 11545, 2022
mayhem
which of course gets into a whole new set of academic papers...
2022-04-25 11517, 2022
mayhem
aerozol: yes, that is exactly what my last message alluding to.
2022-04-25 11505, 2022
mayhem
the daily jams should most certainly start on a top track from the last month and then go to a high rated track that you haven't played in a month. then something new to you.
2022-04-25 11532, 2022
lucifer
indeed, makes sense!
2022-04-25 11532, 2022
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2022-04-25 11554, 2022
mayhem
and I seriously hope that this is where troi begins to shine. the scripts are super easy to write and everyone can jump in and make their own version with their own spin. then we accept PRs.
2022-04-25 11500, 2022
lucifer
sounds good. time for a for troi competition soon :D
2022-04-25 11518, 2022
lucifer
invite people to make the best playlist algorithms they can think of.
2022-04-25 11526, 2022
mayhem
I think it might be time to go public with this soon.
2022-04-25 11540, 2022
mayhem
once alastairp gets the new datasets out on the FTP server, then I think we're ready.
2022-04-25 11520, 2022
mayhem
we'll be a the "we've made an open source music recommendation engine that is okayish and doesn't track the living snot out of you"
2022-04-25 11532, 2022
mayhem
point that I've been lusting for for years
2022-04-25 11503, 2022
mayhem
lucifer: I can't wait to see what collaborative filtering does once you play down all the cool things it thinks you should listen to. what happens next?
2022-04-25 11503, 2022
lucifer
yes makes sense
2022-04-25 11522, 2022
mayhem
crap? discovery further afield?
2022-04-25 11533, 2022
lucifer
not really sure. i think it'll keep recommening the same stuff.
2022-04-25 11553, 2022
mayhem
I do like the "not track you to death" aspect you just raised. perfect bit of marketing.
2022-04-25 11515, 2022
mayhem
it can't recommend the same stuff. we'll remove the "same stuff" from the candidate sets.
2022-04-25 11517, 2022
mayhem
then what?
2022-04-25 11526, 2022
lucifer
we'll need to do something else for new tracks to be recommended but there's always a limit.
