#metabrainz

actually ive been working on reo for 5 years. like the pate-a-date script i've worked on him for 10, he is implementing it now

what?

yeah he's been doing good work!

why od y uhate colours anyway?

Haha I don't hate colours! Look at that gradient background

like i would like if most of mb staud white black,erh 95% black and grey ad thne we added colourful accent where usefull

But number one importance is being able to read information on a page

Colourful text NEVER helps

kinda fun that there's an article linked from the SAPC-APCA page specifically about orange lol https://gist.github.com/Myndex/1dadb6dcac596f1c...

but that's it. why add a big blob of colour that is so distracting. whne a small one with gradient woudl do the trick and look stylish

!

this is a button though

yeah, that's about orange as a background

i don't have a provlem wih reading the orange text on mb tbh

Ah, right, I can live with something like that

the magenta is a ig too bright, but i got usedto it

As part of the redesign I would like to visit how we can signpost where things sit. E.g. if you're in a release page it's clearer it's in a release group

Because it's obvious to us but not necessarily for others

actually bookbrainz needs that more thna mb

yeai had an idea for that!

but you're not gonig to like it

Absolutely, I can't even make sense of that tbh

Hit me with it!

my idea was to use a small colourful header background, a spesific colour for each entity type

the colour would be mutd. liek edit type backgrounds too

ah, https://www.myndex.com/BPCA/ might be useful - it's a colour checker using updated algorithms that otherwise can be used in a WGAC compatible way.

Not a bad idea, but unless you already know what the colour means it doesn't necessarily help

or erh 95%

thanks kepstin!

in this case we will decide what each colour means and stick with it

eventually peopel will get used ot "this colour menas this entity" and it wil lbe a usefull hlep every day

ooh that looks good kepstin

Do experienced editors really get lost though CatQuest? The icon's there too

lol, musicbrainz orange only gets a 2.7:1 in that :(

no they don't. but the colour can't hurt

also on mb i'd love this becase i *do* get a bit lost and i've been using bb since it was written in haskell

on bb i'd love that*

we can definitely use colours to help, I'll have to think about it

anyway if will be useful for people who are for whatever reason turning of images

Discogs hasn't really cracked it, but their list of other versions at the bottom does make it more obvious that there's a bunch of them at least

in my oppinion rg and release pages are diffenough on mb

we have "other versions" on RG pages

So for a new user clicking to a release page, how do you see them understanding how MB works?

hmmm

see what I *would* do, is write a some kind if illustrated, maybe fun or interactive wizard for the new user. that will show via images and interactive how things look and work with descriptive blurbs and the like

then on the real page I would have all explanation blurbs expanded

A wizard is great for someone who's signed up but I think we can improve things just by changing the page a bit

and this wizard woudl b the first thing an new user is ofered

But heck, maybe it's too hard

Just good to think about

yea

also i would have: differnt views for differnt users

I do love wizards

a differnt view for homeone logged out, and for the newbie and for the user and for the power user

aw man they cna be great! (as long as they're optional not unskippable :D)

if you're interested, I wrote a lot of comments on the chaavi tickets in jira

for a newbie things should be simplistic, don't show hugeass editor riht away

for the regular users yhave bits that can be expanded or colapsed

for the power user, let's have the abiltiy to do crazy things like merge recordings and whatnot

yeah! that's what I meant with having editor tools at the top as well

all customisabl for the user's needs

editor tool?

as long as they can be collapsed and don't show for everyone it's definitely not a bad idea

all your tabs

i even thoguht of it liek this: once a person is no longer a "newbie" user type but a regialr user, show thme a "congradulations! you've now become a regualr users! now yo ucna vote and comment on other editors edits, and you shoudl be more comfortable editing, there are lots of tools mb cna provide blah balh and show thme some more interactive guide things for advanced stuff

Someone not logged in can just see a pencil at the top of the page, that's all they really need

yay tabs

honestly I will just remove that with css or the like. i want "edit" in the smae palce as "edit relaionship"

but for logged out user. thats great!

btw, 'tabs' only really make sense to me if they're changing a display? otherwise to me I would expect 'button'

erh

idk. the tabs at the top of pages are stuff linksbuttonlinks i don't know

if it's a link to somewhere

on https://beta.musicbrainz.org/release/fec55dcc-8... i see thme and i fi clic k"aliases" i see thme etc

Yeah, I see that as 'I want to see a different view of this release that shows different information'

yes

edit also does this

as does edit rels

hmmm it's not for viewing information, it's for editing

i want that tab bar als oon edit history

https://beta.musicbrainz.org/release/fec55dcc-8... also has this bar

edit history makes sense to me

i talked with reo in adding that there

and he said he coudl see it

maybe

I'm not saying we shouldn't surface edit tools further up, but it's very weird to have tabs used for whatever

maybe have some sort of gap or differentation on the tab bar between read-only tabs and read-write tabs?

🤷 personally i love having the edit links higher up

different color or a separator of some kind

not a bad idea

hmm!

btw I try and 'classify' sections of MB a bit more in the MB specific guideline draft: https://github.com/metabrainz/design-system/blo...

editing is a primary purpose of the pages after all

(click the download link again sorry)

tbh, on discids, and coverart and aliases they yo ucn also "modifydata"

the fact that you can use musicbrainz to view information from the db is secondary to it's primary feature of being able to edit it, imo :)

[22:58] <kepstin> editing is a primary purpose of the pages after all <-- that

infact what page cna yo u*not* change a thing on?

I go to cover art, and then there's a 'button' to edit

overfiew i guess

not a tab to edit

We could make a 'Add cover art' tab

there is an unswerscript to turn it to "cover art" into a "add coverart"

aerozol: that's a tricky one, because the cover art page is a list of cover arts, and each art is individually editable

as long as there is no such added

yes

it could go direct to "add cover art" screen if there is none, tho

personally if there is 0 coverart I'd say the tab shoudl go directly to add CAA but once there is anything, show the now page

I'm being facetious sorry, if we put every 'edit' button from all those pages into the tab it will be crazy :P

lol jinx kepstin

There is a script from jesus that makes that tab go straight to add CAA if there isn't one, but I forget which one and it doesn't always work for some reason

anyway my script adds edit rels annotation and edit history, and there is still room for a couple more

yea i used ot have it too but it stopped working some time so now i have to click twice

But once in the cover art tab, 'add cover art' is a button

yes!

Not a tab

but the distinction is irrelevant to all but designers

aerozol: note that the full APCA contrast calculator (without the WCAG compat) is here: https://www.myndex.com/APCA/ that includes a neat feature where it shows you the minimum font size the color combination is usable at for different font weights.

Yeah, all the questions in the forums from people not able to perform basic tasks because the UI isn't clear doesn't testify to that

They're not designers

sorry i was being flippant,

I didn't mean it like that

I know! But also I do want to reinforce that I'm not just wanting to make things look pretty for no reason

but comming back to colours, if it's an "add coverart" "button" it could have a different coloiur tna if it's just a "link" to the "view coverart" page

yeah those distinctions would be great. "hi GSoC person, if it does this make it it a tab, if it does this a button"

etc

but im glad that on http://www.simonhartman.com/images/musicbrainz%... you haven't changed the selve table, it's basic layout, that's happy

hmm. alright

instead of "hmm this time lets make it a tab, next time lets put it in the sidebar, this time lets make a button at the bottom"

I can use ctrl+click to open stuff that are "buttons" into new tabs (browser tabs ) so maybe the distinction is lost on me

ahhhhh

personally i like links more. button shoudl be "yes make these chnages" to me

What do you think, should your internet browser put their settings buttons as tabs as well :P

generally those are optinos in the dropdown menues.. but internally on the /chrome page and so they kidna are links?

honestly, that we have similar things in so many different places kills me

i kidna do see what you mean fwiw

it's messy

the problem i gues is that half of userbase is used ot x place, the other to y place

presumably you could open any browser, without having to read a readme, and the settings would be in a drop down in a similar place

no matter wich you move you're going ot alienate the other part

yes

Make an account and let the wizard take you through? No thanks

but why are we talking abotu settings whne i was talking about buttons instead of links ot edit pages?