but that's it. why add a big blob of colour that is so distracting. whne a small one with gradient woudl do the trick and look stylish
2022-05-02 12246, 2022
CatQuest
!
2022-05-02 12254, 2022
CatQuest
this is a button though
2022-05-02 12208, 2022
kepstin
yeah, that's about orange as a background
2022-05-02 12212, 2022
CatQuest
i don't have a provlem wih reading the orange text on mb tbh
2022-05-02 12213, 2022
aerozol
Ah, right, I can live with something like that
2022-05-02 12232, 2022
CatQuest
the magenta is a ig too bright, but i got usedto it
2022-05-02 12244, 2022
aerozol
As part of the redesign I would like to visit how we can signpost where things sit. E.g. if you're in a release page it's clearer it's in a release group
2022-05-02 12257, 2022
aerozol
Because it's obvious to us but not necessarily for others
2022-05-02 12206, 2022
CatQuest
actually bookbrainz needs that more thna mb
2022-05-02 12216, 2022
CatQuest
yeai had an idea for that!
2022-05-02 12220, 2022
CatQuest
but you're not gonig to like it
2022-05-02 12226, 2022
aerozol
Absolutely, I can't even make sense of that tbh
2022-05-02 12232, 2022
aerozol
Hit me with it!
2022-05-02 12238, 2022
CatQuest
my idea was to use a small colourful header background, a spesific colour for each entity type
2022-05-02 12256, 2022
CatQuest
the colour would be mutd. liek edit type backgrounds too
2022-05-02 12257, 2022
kepstin
ah, https://www.myndex.com/BPCA/ might be useful - it's a colour checker using updated algorithms that otherwise can be used in a WGAC compatible way.
2022-05-02 12217, 2022
CatQuest
but this colour would still work with black text
2022-05-02 12217, 2022
aerozol
Not a bad idea, but unless you already know what the colour means it doesn't necessarily help
2022-05-02 12222, 2022
CatQuest
or erh 95%
2022-05-02 12229, 2022
aerozol
thanks kepstin!
2022-05-02 12237, 2022
CatQuest
in this case we will decide what each colour means and stick with it
2022-05-02 12258, 2022
CatQuest
eventually peopel will get used ot "this colour menas this entity" and it wil lbe a usefull hlep every day
2022-05-02 12200, 2022
aerozol
ooh that looks good kepstin
2022-05-02 12216, 2022
aerozol
Do experienced editors really get lost though CatQuest? The icon's there too
2022-05-02 12228, 2022
kepstin
lol, musicbrainz orange only gets a 2.7:1 in that :(
2022-05-02 12234, 2022
CatQuest
no they don't. but the colour can't hurt
2022-05-02 12250, 2022
CatQuest
also on mb i'd love this becase i *do* get a bit lost and i've been using bb since it was written in haskell
2022-05-02 12202, 2022
CatQuest
on bb i'd love that*
2022-05-02 12210, 2022
aerozol
we can definitely use colours to help, I'll have to think about it
2022-05-02 12230, 2022
CatQuest
anyway if will be useful for people who are for whatever reason turning of images
2022-05-02 12243, 2022
aerozol
Discogs hasn't really cracked it, but their list of other versions at the bottom does make it more obvious that there's a bunch of them at least
2022-05-02 12208, 2022
CatQuest
in my oppinion rg and release pages are diffenough on mb
So for a new user clicking to a release page, how do you see them understanding how MB works?
2022-05-02 12228, 2022
CatQuest
hmmm
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CatQuest
see what I *would* do, is write a some kind if illustrated, maybe fun or interactive wizard for the new user. that will show via images and interactive how things look and work with descriptive blurbs and the like
2022-05-02 12230, 2022
CatQuest
then on the real page I would have all explanation blurbs expanded
2022-05-02 12246, 2022
aerozol
A wizard is great for someone who's signed up but I think we can improve things just by changing the page a bit
2022-05-02 12247, 2022
CatQuest
and this wizard woudl b the first thing an new user is ofered
2022-05-02 12250, 2022
aerozol
But heck, maybe it's too hard
2022-05-02 12253, 2022
aerozol
Just good to think about
2022-05-02 12256, 2022
CatQuest
yea
2022-05-02 12207, 2022
CatQuest
also i would have: differnt views for differnt users
2022-05-02 12207, 2022
aerozol
I do love wizards
2022-05-02 12221, 2022
CatQuest
a differnt view for homeone logged out, and for the newbie and for the user and for the power user
2022-05-02 12235, 2022
CatQuest
aw man they cna be great! (as long as they're optional not unskippable :D)
2022-05-02 12254, 2022
CatQuest
if you're interested, I wrote a lot of comments on the chaavi tickets in jira
2022-05-02 12221, 2022
CatQuest
for a newbie things should be simplistic, don't show hugeass editor riht away
2022-05-02 12235, 2022
CatQuest
for the regular users yhave bits that can be expanded or colapsed
2022-05-02 12250, 2022
CatQuest
for the power user, let's have the abiltiy to do crazy things like merge recordings and whatnot
2022-05-02 12258, 2022
aerozol
yeah! that's what I meant with having editor tools at the top as well
2022-05-02 12258, 2022
CatQuest
all customisabl for the user's needs
2022-05-02 12210, 2022
CatQuest
editor tool?
2022-05-02 12211, 2022
aerozol
as long as they can be collapsed and don't show for everyone it's definitely not a bad idea
2022-05-02 12221, 2022
aerozol
all your tabs
2022-05-02 12230, 2022
CatQuest
i even thoguht of it liek this: once a person is no longer a "newbie" user type but a regialr user, show thme a "congradulations! you've now become a regualr users! now yo ucna vote and comment on other editors edits, and you shoudl be more comfortable editing, there are lots of tools mb cna provide blah balh and show thme some more interactive guide things for advanced stuff
2022-05-02 12236, 2022
aerozol
Someone not logged in can just see a pencil at the top of the page, that's all they really need
editing is a primary purpose of the pages after all
2022-05-02 12214, 2022
aerozol
(click the download link again sorry)
2022-05-02 12223, 2022
CatQuest
tbh, on discids, and coverart and aliases they yo ucn also "modifydata"
2022-05-02 12238, 2022
kepstin
the fact that you can use musicbrainz to view information from the db is secondary to it's primary feature of being able to edit it, imo :)
2022-05-02 12238, 2022
CatQuest
[22:58] <kepstin> editing is a primary purpose of the pages after all <-- that
2022-05-02 12246, 2022
CatQuest
infact what page cna yo u*not* change a thing on?
2022-05-02 12250, 2022
aerozol
I go to cover art, and then there's a 'button' to edit
2022-05-02 12253, 2022
CatQuest
overfiew i guess
2022-05-02 12255, 2022
aerozol
not a tab to edit
2022-05-02 12215, 2022
aerozol
We could make a 'Add cover art' tab
2022-05-02 12222, 2022
CatQuest
there is an unswerscript to turn it to "cover art" into a "add coverart"
2022-05-02 12227, 2022
kepstin
aerozol: that's a tricky one, because the cover art page is a list of cover arts, and each art is individually editable
2022-05-02 12234, 2022
CatQuest
as long as there is no such added
2022-05-02 12239, 2022
CatQuest
yes
2022-05-02 12241, 2022
kepstin
it could go direct to "add cover art" screen if there is none, tho
2022-05-02 12204, 2022
CatQuest
personally if there is 0 coverart I'd say the tab shoudl go directly to add CAA but once there is anything, show the now page
2022-05-02 12206, 2022
aerozol
I'm being facetious sorry, if we put every 'edit' button from all those pages into the tab it will be crazy :P
2022-05-02 12211, 2022
CatQuest
lol jinx kepstin
2022-05-02 12246, 2022
aerozol
There is a script from jesus that makes that tab go straight to add CAA if there isn't one, but I forget which one and it doesn't always work for some reason
2022-05-02 12252, 2022
CatQuest
anyway my script adds edit rels annotation and edit history, and there is still room for a couple more
2022-05-02 12209, 2022
CatQuest
yea i used ot have it too but it stopped working some time so now i have to click twice
2022-05-02 12212, 2022
aerozol
But once in the cover art tab, 'add cover art' is a button
2022-05-02 12222, 2022
CatQuest
yes!
2022-05-02 12230, 2022
aerozol
Not a tab
2022-05-02 12232, 2022
CatQuest
but the distinction is irrelevant to all but designers
2022-05-02 12249, 2022
kepstin
aerozol: note that the full APCA contrast calculator (without the WCAG compat) is here: https://www.myndex.com/APCA/ that includes a neat feature where it shows you the minimum font size the color combination is usable at for different font weights.
2022-05-02 12203, 2022
aerozol
Yeah, all the questions in the forums from people not able to perform basic tasks because the UI isn't clear doesn't testify to that
2022-05-02 12245, 2022
aerozol
They're not designers
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CatQuest
sorry i was being flippant,
2022-05-02 12237, 2022
CatQuest
I didn't mean it like that
2022-05-02 12240, 2022
aerozol
I know! But also I do want to reinforce that I'm not just wanting to make things look pretty for no reason
2022-05-02 12240, 2022
CatQuest
but comming back to colours, if it's an "add coverart" "button" it could have a different coloiur tna if it's just a "link" to the "view coverart" page
2022-05-02 12241, 2022
aerozol
yeah those distinctions would be great. "hi GSoC person, if it does this make it it a tab, if it does this a button"
