lucifer: for what it's worth, we actually have an admin page for it so I don't have to wrangle the DB directly, but yeah ansh, basically just let me know if needed :)
2022-08-30 24209, 2022
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CatQuest
aerozol: hehI agree with ivandosky
2022-08-30 24224, 2022
CatQuest
Can’t see “Add Annotation”? … Ditto Merge … The menu bar up there feels “less involved” with the whole page due to that colour border.
2022-08-30 24224, 2022
CatQuest
(and when we agree it's lookout!)
2022-08-30 24226, 2022
CatQuest
:D
2022-08-30 24229, 2022
aerozol
Well, I forgot to include those in the mockup he looked at :p
2022-08-30 24250, 2022
CatQuest
also jesus2099:
2022-08-30 24251, 2022
CatQuest
I would prefer not these big buttons in the header, I don’t like them very much
2022-08-30 24255, 2022
aerozol
But I will move very carefully with it.
2022-08-30 24208, 2022
CatQuest
sorry 🤷 but true
2022-08-30 24232, 2022
lucifer
reosarevok: yes makes sense.
2022-08-30 24209, 2022
lucifer
ansh: i added the username copy change to LB and can do the same for CB if it helps.
2022-08-30 24245, 2022
lucifer
alastairp: tables rebuilt, it was a config issue. but the canonical data bug still exists.
2022-08-30 24257, 2022
aerozol
With the big calls to action for new people, like the edit button, I'm happy to do it in another way if you can think of anything you would like CatQuest. But I think it's important to have it stand out in some way (the target audience for those isn't existing users, it's too make it very tempting for people to start contributing)
2022-08-30 24242, 2022
aerozol
Not as nice for seasoned contributors I know. All we need is a little button anywhere
2022-08-30 24223, 2022
alastairp
thanks lucifer
2022-08-30 24231, 2022
alastairp
yeah, CB username change sounds like a good idea too
2022-08-30 24243, 2022
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"I’m not someone who uses MusicBrainz to find and buy popular music, which is why I’d want to turn off the listens and rating as this is just a waste of screen space for me. (But I do understand why other people would want this). I am here for the database and its music links."
2022-08-30 24243, 2022
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this holds true for me too
2022-08-30 24228, 2022
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aerozol: honstly those buttons are nothing ot me i'll probbly ue script to remove thme and rely on userscript to add back edit links in the tabs under the username ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2022-08-30 24240, 2022
aerozol
I don't know about the ratings column either to be honest!
2022-08-30 24226, 2022
aerozol
The playcount one gives some pretty handy information I think
2022-08-30 24200, 2022
aerozol
Happy to rearrange as wanted if you want to pop an order that would suit you on the ticket/have some hidden by default. Then we can compare
2022-08-30 24211, 2022
CatQuest
also, I mean it might be my neurodiverse self, but big buttons that say "EDIT THIS" (and these buttons are not they are big buttons with ignorable ambiguous ICONS) don't really compell me to "sign up and start editing" my first thoguht is "if I click this im ight break something" and "if this iste will let randos edit I will probably have to lurk before signing up" and eventually i might if I use that site click it only t ofind that i "ne
2022-08-30 24211, 2022
CatQuest
ed to sign up" i probably woldn't bother to.
2022-08-30 24224, 2022
CatQuest
if it was "sign up to edit" text somewhere I guess. but
2022-08-30 24238, 2022
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the playcount info is *interesting* but
2022-08-30 24243, 2022
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i don't really care while EDITING
2022-08-30 24248, 2022
CatQuest
mb is for EDITING
2022-08-30 24251, 2022
CatQuest
lb is for LISTENING
2022-08-30 24206, 2022
reosarevok
Wu Tang is for the children
2022-08-30 24208, 2022
reosarevok hides
2022-08-30 24211, 2022
CatQuest
so i'd welcome isntead links to lb with "listen on lb" and "critique on CB" etc
2022-08-30 24219, 2022
CatQuest
reosarevok: ???
2022-08-30 24237, 2022
reosarevok
CatQuest: the point is we're trying to get all the systems more intertwined :)
2022-08-30 24242, 2022
CatQuest
yes!
2022-08-30 24246, 2022
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so i want links
2022-08-30 24258, 2022
CatQuest
haing userscripts that create a "listen to this on lb" wich monkey made. very ool
2022-08-30 24204, 2022
CatQuest
cool*
2022-08-30 24224, 2022
reosarevok
I would be annoyed if the editing forms started getting all sorts of LB bits or CB bits
2022-08-30 24229, 2022
reosarevok
But display bits are for display :)
2022-08-30 24234, 2022
CatQuest
but keep the actual listen data and BP *OFF* mb please
2022-08-30 24249, 2022
CatQuest
yes exactly
2022-08-30 24214, 2022
CatQuest
I also think the ratings coloum should be like it is currently. (rightmost)
2022-08-30 24215, 2022
reosarevok
Since it's become clear we're not going to have two sites, one to navigate and one to edit, then it makes sense to have the editing forms for editing but the display pages for pretty data access
2022-08-30 24227, 2022
reosarevok
I think the columns should just be configurable
2022-08-30 24236, 2022
reosarevok
So, have listens and ratings on by default, just let people turn them off
2022-08-30 24236, 2022
CatQuest
i'm not sure we're talking about the sme thing reo
2022-08-30 24242, 2022
CatQuest
yes that
2022-08-30 24251, 2022
CatQuest
have thme turn-off-able
2022-08-30 24255, 2022
reosarevok
yvanzo wanted to make columns configurable too IIRC, so it's not a new idea anyway :)
2022-08-30 24231, 2022
CatQuest
it's been talked about for ages
2022-08-30 24247, 2022
reosarevok
Sure, but maybe it's easier to get it done while also redesigning?
2022-08-30 24248, 2022
reosarevok
One can hope :D
2022-08-30 24256, 2022
CatQuest
sure
2022-08-30 24226, 2022
CatQuest
I also agree with having per-user settings not per-browser
2022-08-30 24246, 2022
CatQuest
per-browser is a pita becase the secondyou use some other browser you end up using 10 minutes ot configure your shit
2022-08-30 24230, 2022
reosarevok
aerozol: I mostly like the redesign images, but I'm sure I'll find some small issues somewhere still. I think the "this doesn't do much for members of bands" criticism is fair - although it's no different from current MB
2022-08-30 24251, 2022
reosarevok
Current MB shows standalone recordings if there are no RGs - maybe we could also show some relationships if there's no recordings
2022-08-30 24202, 2022
CatQuest
I like that idea
2022-08-30 24214, 2022
CatQuest
i laos like the idea of having live above compilation
2022-08-30 24219, 2022
CatQuest
idk about ep before singles
2022-08-30 24227, 2022
CatQuest
but i belive compilations should go last
2022-08-30 24229, 2022
reosarevok
aerozol: I'm not sure how this figma works - do I need to create an account to be able to like zoom in?
2022-08-30 24248, 2022
CatQuest
but i do find it annoying to split up things that are live+ep away from other ep's forexample
2022-08-30 24208, 2022
CatQuest
yeai can remember it's kidna flimsy
2022-08-30 24221, 2022
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and right now that computer is broken so i cna't really use it
2022-08-30 24240, 2022
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and getting it fixed will *probably* hav to wait until much after my own "fixing"
2022-08-30 24259, 2022
aerozol
The MB artist page is for displaying music data imo. Editing that data needs to also be excellent but I don't know if that's the same thing
2022-08-30 24226, 2022
aerozol
If an album is popular or not is music data just as much as a release date is
2022-08-30 24232, 2022
reosarevok
aerozol: agreed, although I can see the point of making it configurable so that people who only want to see the data to find out if they need to edit it can remove the rest from view :)
2022-08-30 24241, 2022
CatQuest
and that's *interesting* data indeed
2022-08-30 24254, 2022
CatQuest
but, yea what reo said
2022-08-30 24206, 2022
CatQuest
i'd love aoggle
2022-08-30 24209, 2022
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a toggle
2022-08-30 24213, 2022
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that remembers
2022-08-30 24219, 2022
aerozol
reosarevok: ctrl and scroll I think to zoom?
2022-08-30 24220, 2022
CatQuest
so i can tunr it off/on
2022-08-30 24223, 2022
reosarevok
That'd be ideal - standard visitors see all the cool data about listens, ratings, reviews, while hardcore editors only see "THIS LOOKS BAD"
2022-08-30 24232, 2022
reosarevok
aerozol: oh! Unintuitive! :) I'll try later
2022-08-30 24245, 2022
CatQuest
exactly what reo said!
2022-08-30 24248, 2022
aerozol
Oh man I want all of that configurable so bad! Really frees us up to put in fun stuff that not everybody needs to be burdened with
2022-08-30 24206, 2022
reosarevok
I think that should be possible, we just need to talk about how to make it happen
2022-08-30 24220, 2022
CatQuest
this is why i ckeep talknig about "differnt views" and "customisable" for "viewers" (new users), "editors" and "hardcore users"
2022-08-30 24253, 2022
reosarevok
I mean, "possible" is not the same as "easy" :p
2022-08-30 24201, 2022
reosarevok
But I think it's worth the effort
2022-08-30 24204, 2022
CatQuest
sothat supersuers liek these who add whatever can, there is a differnt view need between diffrnt users that edit too
2022-08-30 24207, 2022
lucifer
alastairp, Pratha-Fish: i am building the tables again to debug so removed 1) the part to swap into prod and 2) delete duplicate queries. actual tables being used should by various lookups should be unaffected but if something seems wrong, let me know.
2022-08-30 24203, 2022
aerozol
We're on the same page there CatQuest, I've put in lots of 'dream' configurable bits!
2022-08-30 24227, 2022
reosarevok
aerozol: but what about 'death' configurable bits? or 'delirium'?
2022-08-30 24235, 2022
reosarevok hides and goes have breakfast
2022-08-30 24237, 2022
alastairp
groan
2022-08-30 24249, 2022
alastairp
reosarevok: are you watching it?
2022-08-30 24241, 2022
aerozol
I gotta stop being on my phone and chill, but I think I did some things for band members that maybe isn't obvious reosarevok! I'll try catch up on messages tomorrow
2022-08-30 24210, 2022
alastairp
bye aerozol! (btw, thanks for the comments on CB reviewing!)
2022-08-30 24212, 2022
reosarevok
alastairp: I watched it, it's neat - I read the comics so long ago I didn't remember more than "they're pretty good" though, so I didn't have any specific expectations
2022-08-30 24224, 2022
CatQuest
reosarevok 1+ for sandman refrence
2022-08-30 24224, 2022
CatQuest
I want desire and despair too!
2022-08-30 24242, 2022
reosarevok
I mean, I hope the configurable bits are not despair ones
2022-08-30 24246, 2022
alastairp
I last read the comics only 4-5 years ago, so some bits are still fresh
2022-08-30 24246, 2022
CatQuest
and BRIAN BLESSED!
2022-08-30 24247, 2022
CatQuest
()I mean destruction
2022-08-30 24203, 2022
reosarevok
For that I just need to look at Mozart's recordings tab anyway
2022-08-30 24221, 2022
CatQuest
indeed :D
2022-08-30 24237, 2022
CatQuest
i read one of the spinnof comics focusing more on death and the main character. and ther was one with depair meeting edgar allen poe and it was so.. sweet and theywhere woobie but it was still you know. it was pretty hilarious/hartwarming/sad
2022-08-30 24246, 2022
CatQuest
death as the main*
2022-08-30 24245, 2022
ansh
lucifer: Yes, it would be a great idea.
2022-08-30 24230, 2022
lucifer
👍,will do
2022-08-30 24205, 2022
CatQuest
anyway my biggest issue with BIG ICONS at the top is tht it necssitates tht the banner header whatever als oeats up more space. i don't want that. i want to ge to the 2meat" of the page asap