alastairp: i see, makes sense. will work on adding it.
2022-10-07 28010, 2022
reosarevok
alastairp: lol. "Se gasta 50€ en un portabebidas de carbono para aligerar peso, sobrándole a él 20kg" - sounds about right
2022-10-07 28018, 2022
reosarevok
(from the comments)
2022-10-07 28027, 2022
alastairp
:D
2022-10-07 28045, 2022
alastairp
like the people who remove the plastic caps from their wheel valves for the same reason
2022-10-07 28024, 2022
Freso
mayhem: State of Community?
2022-10-07 28036, 2022
reosarevok
alastairp: ^ can you bother mayhem
2022-10-07 28055, 2022
aerozol
Going back to recommendations, can we please have ‘reverse’ recommendations for everything? e.g. if we can work out your fav plays can we easily also do least fav? I just think it would be funny and v. shareable!
2022-10-07 28015, 2022
alastairp
aerozol: especially for April 1
2022-10-07 28019, 2022
aerozol
hah!
2022-10-07 28024, 2022
monkey
antirecommendations
2022-10-07 28037, 2022
yvanzo
Freso: we see it on the stream
2022-10-07 28041, 2022
yvanzo
Freso: and we hear you
2022-10-07 28054, 2022
reosarevok
"Ok, recommendation system, do your worst!"
2022-10-07 28054, 2022
yvanzo
"State of Community"
2022-10-07 28000, 2022
reosarevok
Huh
2022-10-07 28002, 2022
reosarevok
I see all black
2022-10-07 28019, 2022
mayhem
aerozol: yes, I've thought about that. "We thought you'd hate these tracks, so we made you a playlist of them"
2022-10-07 28033, 2022
alastairp
aerozol: Brian Whitman of the echonest did a hack at a musichackday many years ago, where he did recommendation/clustering of the music on your computer, and if you had anything that didn't fit into your "recommendation bubble" it would physically delete it from your computer
2022-10-07 28050, 2022
reosarevok
alastairp: D:
2022-10-07 28055, 2022
aerozol
we should do that but with friends/followers
2022-10-07 28014, 2022
reosarevok
aerozol: isn't that what social media is for?
2022-10-07 28029, 2022
aerozol
yeah but we should “remove” those people :P
2022-10-07 28052, 2022
reosarevok
From our life? The world? :D
2022-10-07 28006, 2022
aerozol
‘delete’
2022-10-07 28024, 2022
alastairp
Freso: LB username should work all of the time. please report to us specific cases if that's not working
2022-10-07 28030, 2022
alastairp
Freso: CB links are coming too
2022-10-07 28047, 2022
alastairp
it's actually finished
2022-10-07 28050, 2022
alastairp
but we haven't merged it
2022-10-07 28004, 2022
alastairp
alastair's famous poke-based development model
2022-10-07 28030, 2022
lucifer
alastairp: merged too, not deployed yet :). well deployed on beta already but not prod
2022-10-07 28051, 2022
alastairp
really good point that all sites have separate ways of reporting things. definitely something to centralise somehow
2022-10-07 28004, 2022
alastairp
!m lucifer
2022-10-07 28004, 2022
BrainzBot
You're doing good work, lucifer!
2022-10-07 28037, 2022
reosarevok
alastairp: speaking of, how are those python musicbrainzngs PRs going? :p
2022-10-07 28044, 2022
lucifer
lol
2022-10-07 28048, 2022
alastairp
reosarevok: requires more poking
2022-10-07 28019, 2022
reosarevok
🏏
2022-10-07 28041, 2022
reosarevok
mayhem: please pick something up and poke alastairp
mayhem: actually I'd like to talk about that notification / messaging SQL design to see if people feel it's good enough or what should change, especially if we want to use (parts of) it at a meb level
2022-10-07 28001, 2022
rdswift_
Any business development ideas? (I have none.)
2022-10-07 28019, 2022
reosarevok
bitmap and I checked it ages ago but it never moved further because I got busy and we never got much more feedback anyway
2022-10-07 28037, 2022
Freso
Pleeaasseee!
2022-10-07 28057, 2022
rdswift_
+1 to YIM Preview
2022-10-07 28018, 2022
Freso
Yeah, we need to get on that Twitter trending trend.
2022-10-07 28025, 2022
Freso
👍
2022-10-07 28042, 2022
alastairp
> Blue Monday is the name given to a day in January (typically the third Monday of the month) said by a UK travel company, Sky Travel, to be the most depressing day of the year. Scientists have dismissed the idea as baseless pseudoscience.
2022-10-07 28008, 2022
aerozol
pff, scientists
2022-10-07 28059, 2022
Freso
^
2022-10-07 28027, 2022
alastairp
reosarevok: Freso: is there a minutes doc?
2022-10-07 28047, 2022
reosarevok
What did I just get volunteered for?
2022-10-07 28052, 2022
alastairp
writing minutes?
2022-10-07 28056, 2022
Freso
alastairp: None that I’m aware of, but also not going to deal with that while also managing the stream. :)
comment by anyone, editor reosarevok, other @meb ask me if you want an invite to edit
2022-10-07 28024, 2022
reosarevok
Thanks
2022-10-07 28026, 2022
reosarevok
mayhem: I don't actually rate music in MB, mostly rate books in Goodreads :)
2022-10-07 28042, 2022
rdswift_
Should we consider displaying the number (or percentage) of responses at each rating level in addition to the average rating? This would provide some information as to the distribution of rating.
2022-10-07 28010, 2022
reosarevok
But I probably would do it in LB
2022-10-07 28040, 2022
Freso
Mainstream anglo-centric music is statistically insignificant.
But if an average rating is 3, does that mean it's mediocre or whether half the people love it and half hate it but nobody thinks it's average.
2022-10-07 28009, 2022
reosarevok
rdswift_: that can be interesting to show as well :)
2022-10-07 28012, 2022
alastairp
freso points out that many of the users who have lots of recording ratings are very well known editors in the MB ecosystem -> picard power users?
2022-10-07 28025, 2022
alastairp
(not posting their names here for privacy reasons, MeB devs ping me if you want the details)
2022-10-07 28059, 2022
Freso
I also know a number of people through the years have used (or wanted to use) MB as a central place to keep ratings across different media players, tagging formats, etc., etc.
2022-10-07 28015, 2022
Freso
Possibly the same people in alastairp’s list. :D
2022-10-07 28047, 2022
reosarevok
For what it's worth, RYM does *not* (AFAICT) indicate what ratings mean to their users (they even have forums threads where users talk about "what is your rating scale")
2022-10-07 28056, 2022
alastairp
but there's a huge dropoff - 70k recordings for the top user, going down to <10k after only 7 users
2022-10-07 28030, 2022
rdswift_
How the heck would any person provide a rating that ISN'T subjective?
2022-10-07 28057, 2022
reosarevok
By other people voting on them, like with tags... oh, that's how ratings work :D
2022-10-07 28005, 2022
rdswift_
;-)
2022-10-07 28017, 2022
Freso
Goodreads’ rating scale _used_ to say that 1 star was "didn't like it" through "it was ok", "liked it", "really liked it", and 5 stars being "it was amazing", however it seems like their recent UI update has removed this hints. Also, similar to RYM, lots of people had their own rating scales, disregarding GR’s suggested hints.
2022-10-07 28029, 2022
Freso
I generally follow that schema though, both for GR and MB and other 5-star/rank type systems.
2022-10-07 28048, 2022
rdswift_
The main thing is that people understand that 1 is lowest and 5 is highest. How they differentiate levels between the two is generally their personal understanding.
2022-10-07 28056, 2022
Freso
Yeah.
2022-10-07 28040, 2022
aerozol
I started rating on Rotten Tomatoes (who I don’t think let’s you just set something to ‘read’/watched like Goodreads?), and I decided to rate 5 as average instead of 7. Like, 5 - average, but I don’t mind average movies. When my friends see my ratings they fly into a rage
2022-10-07 28004, 2022
aerozol
(because they are ‘low’) but I don’t think it breaks Rotten Tomatoes
2022-10-07 28010, 2022
alastairp
I just mentioned to aerozol, I typically look at an artist's wikipedia page to find their "critically aclaimed" album to listen to first
2022-10-07 28021, 2022
alastairp
I suspect ratings would reflect that as well
2022-10-07 28027, 2022
reosarevok
We effectively still have a scale of 10 in MB
2022-10-07 28031, 2022
reosarevok
Since we do .5s
2022-10-07 28042, 2022
Freso
^
2022-10-07 28054, 2022
reosarevok
So it would be trivial to convert anyway, if desired
2022-10-07 28001, 2022
Freso
Aren’t they stored or served at 0–100 too?
2022-10-07 28004, 2022
Freso
*as
2022-10-07 28006, 2022
rdswift_
But for the user it's still only 1-5 that they canenter.
2022-10-07 28007, 2022
reosarevok
Yes, something like that
2022-10-07 28016, 2022
rdswift_
*can enter
2022-10-07 28019, 2022
aerozol
I think the rating + number of ratings are two things that should always go together. On RYM I will sometimes listen to a lower rated album that has thousands of reviews. Because I’m more keen to listen to their hits than something nuanced
2022-10-07 28027, 2022
lucifer
alastairp: added introspection endpoint, need to figure out if we want to restrict it though/and how? we have a userinfo endpoint too so maybe we could merge both. anyways can explore in oauth i guess or later.
2022-10-07 28031, 2022
reosarevok
rdswift_: oh, huh, I forgot that :)
2022-10-07 28034, 2022
reosarevok
Sorry
2022-10-07 28002, 2022
alastairp
lucifer: bitmap mentioned that MB actally has something similar to that endpoint, though it's not documented
2022-10-07 28028, 2022
alastairp
if there's an RFC, and a good spec for this type of endpoint, probably OK to keep it public
2022-10-07 28043, 2022
lucifer
alastairp: hmm, i do know of userinfo endpoint in MB but that is documented.
2022-10-07 28005, 2022
alastairp
is there a reason why 3rd party app developers might want to have this?
2022-10-07 28011, 2022
lucifer
right, i just read the oauth.net page on it and it recommends restricting it actually if needed.
2022-10-07 28013, 2022
alastairp
"what scopes does this token have" might be useful
2022-10-07 28015, 2022
alastairp
ok, great
2022-10-07 28027, 2022
lucifer
yeah, scopes thing makes sense.
2022-10-07 28046, 2022
alastairp
ideas to restrict it: separate flask app in CB, running in separate container, and use consul service to connect
2022-10-07 28049, 2022
mayhem
rdswift_: would you like me to buy you a plane ticket to the next summit?
2022-10-07 28000, 2022
mayhem
We feel that you should be present. :)
2022-10-07 28018, 2022
alastairp
would love to meet you rdswift_
2022-10-07 28055, 2022
lucifer
MB digest auth could probably continue to live in MB?
2022-10-07 28001, 2022
Freso
mayhem: I tried to get him to go as mentor for a GCI summit and he refused :(
2022-10-07 28029, 2022
reosarevok
mayhem, alastairp: should I be looking through the State of X presentations and summarizing those for the minutes?
2022-10-07 28035, 2022
reosarevok
(not tonight, obviously)
2022-10-07 28046, 2022
reosarevok
(thankfully it's all recorded anyway)
2022-10-07 28028, 2022
reosarevok
Also, tomorrow we should try and figure out a good way to order people, not sure if anyone is following the zoom screen often? Combining IRL and zoom raised hands seemed complicated today :)
2022-10-07 28039, 2022
mayhem
rdswift_: that isn't a problem coming into spain. they care about consumer electronics -- they want to tax those.
2022-10-07 28049, 2022
mayhem
personal medications, no problems at all
2022-10-07 28003, 2022
reosarevok
If it is preferable, we could have a ping system through IRC, so ping-to-talk, for remote people 🤷♂️
2022-10-07 28053, 2022
reosarevok
(I would like a good way to not interrupt mayhem :D )
2022-10-07 28048, 2022
rdswift
Okay, I'll give it some real consideration then. Thanks.
mayhem, alastairp: oh another thing we could discuss in a breakout session tomorrow is how to make troi easier to use as a library. it currently feels a bit clunky...
2022-10-07 28018, 2022
alastairp
lucifer: sure
2022-10-07 28001, 2022
alastairp
aerozol: that was quick
2022-10-07 28012, 2022
reosarevok
aerozol: "Your feedback will dictate the future of ratings." *help* dictate? Just in case we decide something that is not specifically proposed?
2022-10-07 28030, 2022
aerozol
Okay, will update. I was trying to make it weighty!
2022-10-07 28020, 2022
reosarevok
Sure, I agree with the sentiment! :)
2022-10-07 28032, 2022
reosarevok
2 other people already answering, so seems like we'll get some discussion
2022-10-07 28034, 2022
reosarevok
aerozol, Freso: I pinned the topic globally for two weeks so people will see them, feel free to change that if you feel it is too long / not needed / whatever
