maybe we can just add notifications for now but no messages?
2022-10-09 28246, 2022
aerozol
lucifer: hah exactly what Adam is saying
2022-10-09 28251, 2022
alastairp
lucifer: yeah, atj_mb just saying that
2022-10-09 28202, 2022
chinmay
I had a tiny suggestion for LB navbar (idk how much sense it makes) - if we notice the order of links (Home, Feed, Recent, Data, Explore, About) we order it from specialized page to more general pages till Recent tab. The Data tab feels out of place in this order. It should come after Explore tab. Home > Feed > Recent > Explore > Data > About.
2022-10-09 28204, 2022
Freso
FWIW, I can’t recall having gotten any MB spam user e-mails. I also don’t think I’ve ever gotten a report of them.
2022-10-09 28208, 2022
reosarevok
Really, I'm missing how that's better, if we're going to keep emails
2022-10-09 28217, 2022
reosarevok
Or is the suggestion to also drop user-to-user emails?
2022-10-09 28249, 2022
lucifer
reosarevok: but adding email is optional in MB? like you can delete it from MB after verifying.
2022-10-09 28250, 2022
reosarevok
Just make it so users with less than X time in the project and less than X edits / listens cannot contact others
2022-10-09 28200, 2022
reosarevok
lucifer: you can't edit MB if you delete it
2022-10-09 28207, 2022
lucifer
ah i see.
2022-10-09 28231, 2022
reosarevok
I'm not sure why we even allow deleting it tbh
2022-10-09 28242, 2022
reosarevok
FWIW I get a reasonable amount of messages via MB, and they're mostly people asking for help / suggestions / trying to learn when I fix their album entries
I mean, anyone can contact you by leaving a note in an edit of yours anyway
2022-10-09 28230, 2022
reosarevok
And we obviously can't disable that
2022-10-09 28259, 2022
reosarevok
We can disable that sending *emails*, which was part of the reason we wanted notifications and messages :p
2022-10-09 28210, 2022
reosarevok
So that people wouldn't get emails about stuff
2022-10-09 28232, 2022
Freso
I don’t get why we are discussing spam for inter-user messaging when there’s no history of that happening to date and we have ways to report if it should happen… and those ways to report would be much improved by being on-site.
2022-10-09 28243, 2022
reosarevok
Yeah, it all seems absurd to me
2022-10-09 28201, 2022
Freso
🤷
2022-10-09 28233, 2022
alastairp
I'm kind of surprised that that's the case to be honest
2022-10-09 28249, 2022
alastairp
everywhere else that I've seen a public input box on the internet it gets spam
2022-10-09 28255, 2022
reosarevok
I mean, why spam people user to user when you can just spam on some edit notes
2022-10-09 28203, 2022
reosarevok
And get to spam many users at once )
2022-10-09 28210, 2022
alastairp
maybe it's because you already have the strong restrictions on who can send a message in the first place
2022-10-09 28241, 2022
Freso
And there’s no reason to lessen those restrictions for on-site messaging.
2022-10-09 28243, 2022
reosarevok
We don't, apparently - I checked but it seems beginners can actually send messages
2022-10-09 28255, 2022
reosarevok
But I'd expect us to have them on messaging
2022-10-09 28257, 2022
Freso
Not even requiring an e-mail?
2022-10-09 28258, 2022
alastairp
interesting
2022-10-09 28205, 2022
bitmap
we require a confirmed email
2022-10-09 28206, 2022
reosarevok
Yeah, actually I expect we do require an email
2022-10-09 28219, 2022
reosarevok
But we require that for pretty much everything
2022-10-09 28220, 2022
alastairp
so are we sure that there's no spam being sent through this system?
2022-10-09 28225, 2022
alastairp
or just it's not being reported?
2022-10-09 28230, 2022
reosarevok
No, we're just sure nobody has complained
2022-10-09 28236, 2022
Freso
^
2022-10-09 28245, 2022
reosarevok
Since we... er, have no oversight about it, as per the previous discussion of issues :D
2022-10-09 28256, 2022
alastairp
so if MB wants to add an outgoing messages table, that could be interesting to look at?
2022-10-09 28257, 2022
aerozol
Sorry reosarevok, hard to keep track of the irc and mayhem is already over this topic anyway I think :P
2022-10-09 28205, 2022
Freso
And we know that between reo and myself we’ve never received any.
2022-10-09 28208, 2022
aerozol
I think if we have social media links we should also allow people to add their email
2022-10-09 28219, 2022
reosarevok
Yes, I'm not expecting this to be taken into consideration anyway, just confused
2022-10-09 28223, 2022
Freso
We already have their e-mail.
2022-10-09 28227, 2022
reosarevok
It's clear a decision has been taken, so 🤷♂️
2022-10-09 28207, 2022
aerozol
Wait Freso: I thought you were saying there ere reports of 1-3 cases of user email abuse
2022-10-09 28218, 2022
Freso
aerozol: Yes. Not spam.
2022-10-09 28234, 2022
aerozol
Oh right yeah I think that’s what people mean, they just say spam automatically
2022-10-09 28258, 2022
Freso
I don’t think so? Didn’t feel that way to me.
2022-10-09 28214, 2022
reosarevok
Yeah, there was talk about gmail automatically stopping them and stuff
2022-10-09 28223, 2022
aerozol
Right right
2022-10-09 28226, 2022
reosarevok
That's spam-spam, not someone sending you a message about your mom :)
2022-10-09 28247, 2022
Freso doesn’t receive MB mails on gmail and currently has no spam filtering for his e-mail 🤷
2022-10-09 28250, 2022
aerozol
How did you see my emails
2022-10-09 28258, 2022
Freso
aerozol: Who are you asking?
2022-10-09 28216, 2022
reosarevok
Me, since they're full of stuff about moms, I guess
2022-10-09 28255, 2022
Freso
Oh.
2022-10-09 28239, 2022
aerozol
Hey, not just that!!!
2022-10-09 28243, 2022
aerozol
That and spam
2022-10-09 28214, 2022
reosarevok
And sausages and egg, I hope
2022-10-09 28252, 2022
reosarevok
lucifer: in case it's of any use as a base, this is what we had planned for notifications in MB:
Check if any virtual people want/need to be in on topics and then have those in the main room?
2022-10-09 28213, 2022
reosarevok
(we'd want to use it to notify users if someone thanks them for an edit note, and I guess also when someone comments on a note :) )
2022-10-09 28245, 2022
reosarevok
mayhem, alastairp: Are we supposed to take any minutes of the breakouts?
2022-10-09 28201, 2022
Freso
We can also do breakout rooms in the Zoom call and you can have someone join the Zoom call locally and I can toss you into your own subroom in the call.
2022-10-09 28216, 2022
lucifer
reosarevok: makes sense, thanks.
2022-10-09 28210, 2022
aerozol
Freso: I’ll nudge the others re. how to do the stream/zoom once they’ve sorted whatever they’re talking about now/organised the sessions
2022-10-09 28221, 2022
Freso
aerozol: 👍
2022-10-09 28242, 2022
Freso
So we’re doing "UI" in the main room when we return?
2022-10-09 28254, 2022
monkey
lucifer: is there a couchdb service missing in the LB local dev workflow/docker-compose file, or am I missing something?
2022-10-09 28205, 2022
lucifer
monkey: uh yeah, just checked its missing. i'll add it but it won't have any data there. is there anything particualr you need from it?
2022-10-09 28231, 2022
monkey
Nah, just getting some connection errors preventing me from loading pages locally
2022-10-09 28232, 2022
alastairp
reosarevok: most breakouts are now main session topics
2022-10-09 28246, 2022
monkey
If I remove the config item I get an issue about missing config option :)
2022-10-09 28256, 2022
reosarevok
So basically everything in the main room is still main session and minuted?
2022-10-09 28256, 2022
reosarevok
Ok
2022-10-09 28200, 2022
lucifer
i see, i'll add the container locally.
2022-10-09 28236, 2022
alastairp
lucifer: re: LB services, I'd like to use docker-compose profiles or the COMPOSE_FILE env variable (like musicbrainz-docker) does so that we can disable certain services during local development
2022-10-09 28251, 2022
alastairp
I often prefer to have spotify reader shut down to minimise debugging, for example
2022-10-09 28217, 2022
lucifer
sounds good, alastairp. i just use `./develop.sh up SERVICE NAME` for that currently.
monkey: can you help me document the plus and minuses in the minutes too? :)
2022-10-09 28227, 2022
reosarevok
I think that might be useful to keep for later
2022-10-09 28241, 2022
Freso
The plut and minutes in the minuses
2022-10-09 28252, 2022
alastairp
I woudn't mind moving project name and compose file to `.env` (or moving docker-compose.yaml in to .) so that `docker-compose` works too, and then develop.sh becomes an extension rather than the required tool into running the stuff. we can talk about this later, not important for today
2022-10-09 28211, 2022
lucifer
makes sense
2022-10-09 28257, 2022
reosarevok
Freso: liked the Majora's Mask reference in the forum btw
2022-10-09 28201, 2022
reosarevok
(that's what it was, right?)
2022-10-09 28211, 2022
Freso
:)
2022-10-09 28217, 2022
Freso
It was, yeah.
2022-10-09 28237, 2022
reosarevok
FWIW, having "this is what I listened to the most" is nice in Spotify... especially *later on*
2022-10-09 28259, 2022
reosarevok
(so you can listen to the "my most listened bits" from like 3 years ago for nostalgia :p )
2022-10-09 28229, 2022
mayhem
reosarevok: yes, of the MB one please.
2022-10-09 28257, 2022
aerozol
lucifer: Do you still have a question or did you give up?
2022-10-09 28225, 2022
lucifer
aerozol: wanted to point out same thing as rob that we already have playlists for things you didn't listen to but others did.
2022-10-09 28208, 2022
rdswift_
This might sound like a weird use case, but I would like to be able to follow people (to see what they're listening to), but not necessarily use their listens to provide recommendations.
2022-10-09 28225, 2022
reosarevok
"I want to laugh at what shit this people listens to"? :p
2022-10-09 28253, 2022
rdswift_
Yes. ;-)
2022-10-09 28214, 2022
aerozol
rdswift_: does recommendations use people you follow? I thought not, but that would be kinda weird, I wanna follow friends with bad taste still haha
2022-10-09 28249, 2022
rdswift_
I honestly don't know. I've not used the recommendations much.
2022-10-09 28250, 2022
lucifer
mayhem: a bit unrelated, but we could in general add combined playlists. let the user choose with which other users's listening history they want to get a playlist with.
2022-10-09 28218, 2022
aerozol
Ooh BFF playlist
2022-10-09 28225, 2022
aerozol
(Best Friends Forever)
2022-10-09 28237, 2022
lucifer
hah indeed!
2022-10-09 28257, 2022
Freso
Someone mentioned "depressed Monday"(?) yesterday, I think it was.
2022-10-09 28237, 2022
rdswift_
Is there a way to have the majority of the data already calculated, and the just update it with the December data? That might shorten the processing time to allow faster response after year-end.
2022-10-09 28211, 2022
lucifer
rdswift_: it'll take a few hours to run anyway so we can just do entire re-run from scratch.
reosarevok: not very good. the UI breaks down on smaller screens.
2022-10-09 28221, 2022
reosarevok
I mean, if we actually believe the thing about people dropping streaming to own music again, then tagging could make sense
2022-10-09 28230, 2022
reosarevok
I'm just not sure I believe this being a significant movement :)
2022-10-09 28220, 2022
reosarevok
If tagging is not really a thing, why are people angry that the app is not doing it well? :D
2022-10-09 28225, 2022
alastairp
why are people tagging on mobile?
2022-10-09 28235, 2022
rdswift_
I'm not much of an app user, but the only thing I would likely use it for would be to scan a barcode (in a second-hand music store) to see if I already have the album in my collection.
2022-10-09 28236, 2022
alastairp
(maybe they are? maybe they don't have a computer?)
2022-10-09 28257, 2022
atj_mb
rdswift_: the discogs app is quite good for that
2022-10-09 28208, 2022
Freso
rdswift_: Yeah. That’s pretty much all I’ve used it for in the past. :x
2022-10-09 28210, 2022
alastairp
atj_mb: none of that recommendation of competitors :)
2022-10-09 28224, 2022
rdswift_
I've never looke dinto that. Thanks for the suggestion.
2022-10-09 28225, 2022
Freso
atj_mb: That requires you to use Discogs for that purpose. :)
2022-10-09 28248, 2022
alastairp
reosarevok: but that's a great question
2022-10-09 28206, 2022
reosarevok
alastairp: I expect because they a) don't have computers, which I expect it's not super uncommon in many countries or b) they buy their music on their phones and listen on their phones so why would they move it to their computer to tag
2022-10-09 28207, 2022
alastairp
got to remember that all people don't interact with music like we do
2022-10-09 28208, 2022
reosarevok
But I dunno, tbh
2022-10-09 28210, 2022
rdswift_
unfortunately (?), I don't have a Discogs account.
2022-10-09 28220, 2022
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2022-10-09 28221, 2022
alastairp
or computers
2022-10-09 28226, 2022
Freso
I think I’d like an app to browse MeB notifications (and messages).
