tandy1000: Last I heard, track/song/recording, to begin with anyway
2023-05-22 14208, 2023
tandy1000
okay, interesting, it would be useful to be able to configure that during submission, I'd mostly be interested in tagging release groups
2023-05-22 14226, 2023
reosarevok
yvanzo, zas: well, re wikidata-bot it might leave one edit half-done but tbh I don't think it's a big issue
2023-05-22 14258, 2023
yvanzo
reosarevok: is there a way to stop it normally?
2023-05-22 14254, 2023
yvanzo
(it's on zappa)
2023-05-22 14214, 2023
aerozol
tandy1000: The UI for tagging in LB is tricky, monkey and I had quite a few runs at it. I think once the feature is in for tracks, then please bug us about making it better, especially if you can think of ways it could work UI-wise
2023-05-22 14234, 2023
reosarevok
yvanzo: not really, but most of the time it's not doing stuff, let me check
2023-05-22 14245, 2023
tandy1000
willdo! thank you :)
2023-05-22 14223, 2023
aerozol
MB’s easy, we would just put in more buttons, no need to worry about crowding mum and dads phone display!
2023-05-22 14256, 2023
tandy1000
honestly if the MB UI / UX got better I'd be happy just living there haha
2023-05-22 14256, 2023
reosarevok
yvanzo: seemed idle right now, stopped it
2023-05-22 14218, 2023
reosarevok
(just with docker stop)
2023-05-22 14223, 2023
yvanzo
thanks
2023-05-22 14252, 2023
tandy1000
and by that I mean if MB had LBs new discovery features
2023-05-22 14258, 2023
aerozol
tandy1000: Have you tried the Picard tag submitter? It’s magic (assuming your files have genre tags you’d like to add)
2023-05-22 14212, 2023
aerozol
*Picard tag submitter plugin
2023-05-22 14221, 2023
tandy1000
no I haven't, i use beets
2023-05-22 14246, 2023
tandy1000
I need would something that grabs tags from bandcamp, rateyourmusic, lastfm
2023-05-22 14202, 2023
yvanzo
zas: zappa is ready to be rebooted (all the running containers have redundancy on other servers).
2023-05-22 14205, 2023
tandy1000
then i could submit those back >:)
2023-05-22 14212, 2023
atj
picard vs. beets, the new vim vs. emacs
2023-05-22 14223, 2023
reosarevok
Please do restart the wikidata-bot container after reboot if it's not automatic
2023-05-22 14228, 2023
reosarevok
(I guess it might be tho)
2023-05-22 14244, 2023
aerozol
Yes, grabbing tags from elsewhere would be very useful. A user a while back scraped all the Bandcamp tags (where there were links) and that must be a solid chunk of MB’s total tags tbh
2023-05-22 14219, 2023
atj
there was some sort of bot adding tags from bandcamp to releases, I think alastairp might have been involved?
2023-05-22 14235, 2023
yvanzo
picard and beets don't have the same purpose, I use both, there is no "vs."
2023-05-22 14245, 2023
aerozol
Yeah that’s the one. I think the user did most of it, with some help from alastairp?
2023-05-22 14217, 2023
atj
yvanzo: that was very much tongue in cheek
2023-05-22 14257, 2023
reosarevok
I thought the purpose was to tag your files with MB data in both cases? But I haven't tried beets, so
2023-05-22 14215, 2023
zas
yvanzo: ok, rebooting zappa
2023-05-22 14218, 2023
tandy1000
aerozol: yes, mr clon, that was a great thread
2023-05-22 14220, 2023
aerozol
I’d like to have a cool UI where you can see tags from all levels of a entity - e.g. artist > release group > release > recording > work, no matter what entity you are on. But still be able to differentiate them (so you know where they’re from, e.g. if a recording is out of the artists usual genre)
2023-05-22 14232, 2023
aerozol
Now THAT is a UI challenge. That I am not taking on today :D
2023-05-22 14201, 2023
aerozol
If beets adds MBIDs the Picard tag submitter could still be useful
2023-05-22 14210, 2023
tandy1000
I could probably do something similar for rym and lfm, but IIRc there are some copyright issues?
2023-05-22 14234, 2023
tandy1000
aerozol: oh it does, but I don't have anything to submit from my metadata yet
2023-05-22 14255, 2023
aerozol
Gotcha!
2023-05-22 14233, 2023
aerozol
I have heard RYM is extremely un-keen on data scraping. I don’t know if LFM would care, but their tags can be very jumbled
2023-05-22 14257, 2023
tandy1000
yeah, i like musicbrainz cause only certain tags become genres
2023-05-22 14202, 2023
zas
yvanzo: zappa is back
2023-05-22 14217, 2023
yvanzo
reosarevok: picard only has a GUI and is more about tagging album files, beets only has a CLI and is more about managing a whole library with its own local db.
2023-05-22 14242, 2023
reosarevok
Oh, ok. I didn't realize the local db part :)
2023-05-22 14243, 2023
aerozol
reosarevok: has been doing magic with genres on MB for a while now, exciting stuff in the pipeline too (aliases!)
2023-05-22 14207, 2023
yvanzo
reosarevok, zas: thanks, restarted wikidata bot on zappa
2023-05-22 14232, 2023
reosarevok
Thnaks
2023-05-22 14234, 2023
reosarevok
thanks too
2023-05-22 14224, 2023
tandy1000
yeah, in theory, i could write a script that iterates over my beets library, searches on RYM, grabs the tags and pushes those to MB but with something like a 2 minutes wait time between requests...
2023-05-22 14205, 2023
yvanzo
zas: ping trille
2023-05-22 14256, 2023
aerozol
tandy1000: I don’t know what the official MeB line on that would be, but I guess we can’t stop you from submitting tags? Vaguely related, I have started adding links from MB release groups to RYM entities just lately, because I got a tool that made it easier
2023-05-22 14255, 2023
CatQuest
re tags ,that was. yea mr. clon! i loved that. i wonder where they went? havent seen thme in a while
2023-05-22 14230, 2023
CatQuest
oooh a lfm and rym genre tag bot woudl be ++ exccelent
2023-05-22 14245, 2023
CatQuest
as for copyright. those are user-submitted so lsf doesnt own shit
2023-05-22 14257, 2023
zas
yvanzo: on it
2023-05-22 14223, 2023
CatQuest
scraping no. but maybe rym has an api?
2023-05-22 14217, 2023
aerozol
Dug this up on the Discord: “RYM doesn’t only “not have an API”, it’s also extremely anal about scraping”
2023-05-22 14220, 2023
CatQuest
hmm.. when it comes to genres it's difficult with lfm, because they had only folksonomy tagging, same as us. but they nver "elevated" a set for genre i think
2023-05-22 14237, 2023
CatQuest
so you cna find old tags with "mr ownership deal" and thats my own tag for things iwned
2023-05-22 14246, 2023
aerozol
From the users there that are familiar with RYM, this came up there… checks notes… last December :)
2023-05-22 14249, 2023
CatQuest
so not an api but aas
2023-05-22 14240, 2023
CatQuest
on the flip side i want desperatly to have imported a tagradio from there as a palylist inot lb
2023-05-22 14243, 2023
aerozol
With lfm my concern would be where artists with the same name are mixed, but maybe there’s a way around that
2023-05-22 14256, 2023
CatQuest
oh yea. heh that'd be a pita
2023-05-22 14212, 2023
CatQuest
i thikn maybe jsut skip artists and albums alltogether and go with songs only
2023-05-22 14242, 2023
CatQuest
excet that they had no live vs remix vs alt vs original studio unless for osme reason it was named differntly.. very. not clean data
2023-05-22 14259, 2023
CatQuest
but i guess yo ucould do a run, and only use tags with x uses
2023-05-22 14216, 2023
CatQuest
to prevent "one time" ones. and also filter out "owned/seen live/etc"
2023-05-22 14253, 2023
zas
yvanzo: trille is back
2023-05-22 14221, 2023
CatQuest
trille trall
2023-05-22 14228, 2023
aerozol
Also from Discord: “My current setup was pulling data from last.fm for genres but it’s quite terrible even after applying an RYM genre whitelist due to no support for proper artist disambiguation”
2023-05-22 14254, 2023
CatQuest
does discord have chatlogs? and if ni, how cna we make that happen
2023-05-22 14206, 2023
yvanzo
zas: tweeted; looking into serge atm.
2023-05-22 14220, 2023
zas
rebooting moroder
2023-05-22 14253, 2023
CatQuest
anyway noone is answering re the jackson5 servers so I can't; 1) add them to https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Hosting/Server_names, 2) make a (new?) sectino for them, or 3) do anything else. ping me if there is any other thing
2023-05-22 14254, 2023
zas
CatQuest: sorry, yes they are at Hetzner
2023-05-22 14207, 2023
CatQuest
what sort of thing are they? a separate section ?
2023-05-22 14231, 2023
CatQuest
also is there a way of forcing from your end a "stay logged in" session or an user on tickets?
2023-05-22 14258, 2023
CatQuest
can't select "remember my user" here becase i have to tunr js off in order ot actually log in
2023-05-22 14242, 2023
zas
CatQuest: no separate section needed, they are servers like others, just acting together (spark cluster)
2023-05-22 14248, 2023
CatQuest
alrighto
2023-05-22 14257, 2023
CatQuest
may you give me the 5 names?
2023-05-22 14243, 2023
CatQuest
and who suggested?
2023-05-22 14244, 2023
zas
servers still needing a reboot: aretha clash flobot floyd gaga kiss patton paco pink quest sentry serge
2023-05-22 14249, 2023
zas
better have bitmap around for aretha/pink/floyd
2023-05-22 14252, 2023
yvanzo
zas (cc bitmap): serge is ready to reboot (I just stopped caa-indexer the same way we did for the schema change).
2023-05-22 14206, 2023
zas
yvanzo: ok, I'll proceed then
2023-05-22 14233, 2023
zas
yvanzo: paco should be possible too, it runs jenkins though
2023-05-22 14248, 2023
yvanzo
bitmap: I stopped cron sv for musicbrainz-json-dump container on aretha to make sure it wouldn't try to reach trille while it was rebooting. I started cron sv now. Just to let you know why it missed one hourly job.
2023-05-22 14222, 2023
zas
yvanzo: serge is back
2023-05-22 14233, 2023
yvanzo
zas: yes for paco
2023-05-22 14209, 2023
CatQuest
yvanzo or zas, sorry ot interrupt, but may i have the name s of the spakr cluster servers? i will add thme to the server page wiki
2023-05-22 14206, 2023
zas
CatQuest: jackie jermaine marlon michael tito
2023-05-22 14208, 2023
yvanzo
CatQuest: sorry but busy, I guess these are just the first names
yvanzo: I *did* look at the mb page but alas, in true mb fashion, more than 6 names where linked as ember :D
2023-05-22 14220, 2023
CatQuest
member*
2023-05-22 14220, 2023
zas
atj: reminder: we need to put docker packages on hold in Ansible
2023-05-22 14240, 2023
zas
paco's back
2023-05-22 14243, 2023
zas
what about flobot? It is AB
2023-05-22 14203, 2023
mayhem
just reboot and not worry about it.
2023-05-22 14220, 2023
CatQuest
floboot
2023-05-22 14221, 2023
zas
mayhem: ok, rebooting
2023-05-22 14242, 2023
yvanzo
zas: for patton, all MB cron jobs have to be turned off, can do next?
2023-05-22 14249, 2023
yvanzo
reosarevok: are we releasing today or tomorrow?
2023-05-22 14255, 2023
zas
yvanzo: ok, let's go for patton
2023-05-22 14228, 2023
aerozol
reosarevok: about to go to bed, but I wonder if re. auto-editor stuff it would be helpful to put a process into the wiki page for the community manager to follow. Even with email text in the wiki, or linking to a gdoc. Text like: “Congratulations! You are now an auto editor - here are all the things you need to know…”. If that sounds useful let me know and I’ll whip something up after I see your reply tomorrow
