atj: yes. i am looking up the docs as we speak but its somewhere between 30s-60s afair.
2023-06-01 15207, 2023
atj
lucifer: haproxy has separate timeouts for tunnels but they cannot be used because it is running in tcp mode
2023-06-01 15227, 2023
atj
as it can't see inside the connection
2023-06-01 15228, 2023
CatQuest
lol I tried using a twitter "send your thing trough a n ai thing and it will generate a tweet like you" and it came back saying "I wrote too unique for it to emulate me" XD
2023-06-01 15203, 2023
lucifer
i see, so any change to timeout would affect traffic at meb-wide level?
2023-06-01 15210, 2023
zas
lucifer: I'll tweak haproxy, how can I check the impact on lb websockets (I mean the most reliable and quick way) ?
2023-06-01 15238, 2023
zas
I suspect tcp round robin to be the cause of the issue
2023-06-01 15252, 2023
lucifer
zas: i can't think of another way than to manually monitor the LB frontend.
2023-06-01 15203, 2023
lucifer
i am around to keep a check on that if it helps
2023-06-01 15220, 2023
zas
ok, I'll try something, let's see
2023-06-01 15209, 2023
atj
looks like the default heartbeat in Flask-SocketIO is 25 seconds
2023-06-01 15243, 2023
atj
zas: bump client timeout to 30s?
2023-06-01 15215, 2023
zas
atj: I think both client/server timeout are far too low, I'll set them to 150s (from 15s), some set them much higher
2023-06-01 15237, 2023
zas
deploying
2023-06-01 15252, 2023
atj
that seems high, can we try something a bit lower rather than going from one extreme to the other?
2023-06-01 15248, 2023
zas
lucifer: check if it changes anything on your side, within next minutes
2023-06-01 15230, 2023
monkey
Yep, on it mayhem, I've got some even more clever CSS on the way
2023-06-01 15212, 2023
CatQuest
oh on, not clever css
2023-06-01 15214, 2023
CatQuest
:D
2023-06-01 15224, 2023
CatQuest
dangit
2023-06-01 15230, 2023
CatQuest
ruined my own joke with typo
2023-06-01 15252, 2023
mayhem
clever monkey with clever CSS!
2023-06-01 15207, 2023
mayhem
also INVOICES PLEASE!
2023-06-01 15210, 2023
lucifer
zas: seems to be working fine since 1 min.
2023-06-01 15211, 2023
monkey
Oh yeah
2023-06-01 15226, 2023
mayhem nudges lucifer on the invoice
2023-06-01 15235, 2023
zas
lucifer: yes, I'll check side effects, but it seems much better
2023-06-01 15247, 2023
mayhem
!m zas, lucifer, atj
2023-06-01 15247, 2023
BrainzBot
You're doing good work, zas, lucifer, atj!
2023-06-01 15203, 2023
mayhem
this must be a great feeling for you two, atj & zas.
2023-06-01 15215, 2023
mayhem
well done for such a smooth switchover. I doubt anyone noticed.
2023-06-01 15220, 2023
lucifer
mayhem: one day please 😅
2023-06-01 15232, 2023
mayhem
oh, ok.
2023-06-01 15241, 2023
zas
mayhem: yes, quite smooth, but the preparation was a very long process (and we're not over yet)
2023-06-01 15244, 2023
CatQuest
mayhem: you cna invoice me for 50 kr :D and thne I cna say i'm actually hired. like.. performatory :D
2023-06-01 15215, 2023
mayhem
zas: yes, but it shows what badasses you two are!
2023-06-01 15232, 2023
mayhem
CatQuest: wait, you're going to pay ME for not working here? cool!
2023-06-01 15239, 2023
CatQuest
other way around but
2023-06-01 15241, 2023
CatQuest
:D
2023-06-01 15247, 2023
mayhem heads out for a bit
2023-06-01 15209, 2023
CatQuest
it'd be cool to say i legit have a hired job thing
2023-06-01 15212, 2023
zas
atj: I think new timeout values are balanced between what we had and what is usually recommended, it increased the number of used sockets by 30% only
2023-06-01 15228, 2023
CatQuest
feel less like a bozo and more liek a regular guy
2023-06-01 15223, 2023
CatQuest
comes with the benefit of actually being able t to tel lme what to do.. that woudl probably rock for most people here :DDD :P
2023-06-01 15231, 2023
monkey
aerozol: Don't know if you're still up but… your feedback echoes what I was thinking: I guess we should automatically select the first recs playlist when you open the page?
monkey: I was just thinking that too, I think so. Then the bottom of the page is always nicely filled
2023-06-01 15210, 2023
monkey
Yus.
2023-06-01 15232, 2023
monkey
Other option is some message along the lines of "select a playlist above…" but I don't see how that would be better
2023-06-01 15238, 2023
monkey
👍
2023-06-01 15205, 2023
aerozol
At the compy now, it looks so good. Love the play and save buttons
2023-06-01 15218, 2023
aerozol
Is Weekly New Jams a working title? Not very clear to me
2023-06-01 15250, 2023
monkey
Nor to me really. I guess we need to workshop the name. nudge mayhem
2023-06-01 15209, 2023
monkey
"Weekly discoveries"?
2023-06-01 15247, 2023
aerozol
I feel like I saw you discussing this, I can’t find it - is new jams things you haven’t listened to before?
2023-06-01 15202, 2023
aerozol
Weekly discoveries sounds good already
2023-06-01 15257, 2023
zas
atj: I'll stop openresty on rex for a while, traffic will be handled by rudi alone during this time. That's in order to ensure everything works as expected in this case.
2023-06-01 15235, 2023
zas
done
2023-06-01 15240, 2023
monkey
I'm a bit hazy on the details, will discuss with rob and workshop a good name
2023-06-01 15217, 2023
zas
I'll restart it in 5 minutes
2023-06-01 15200, 2023
jasje
akshaaatt: unit tests for social repository added!
2023-06-01 15239, 2023
jasje
also if you can, please take a look if the tests are being correctly run on the pipeline?
2023-06-01 15246, 2023
zas
atj: before restarting openresty on rex, I'll also stop haproxy on rex for a while to have the full figure
2023-06-01 15239, 2023
zas
haproxy stopped on rex
2023-06-01 15227, 2023
zas
restarting haproxy on rex
2023-06-01 15238, 2023
zas
restarting openresty on rex
2023-06-01 15233, 2023
zas
atj: everything looks fine :)
2023-06-01 15246, 2023
mayhem
monkey: aerozol : Weekly new jams are tracks that our system thinks you should listen to , but haven't yet.
2023-06-01 15258, 2023
mayhem
I'm open for a new name for it.
2023-06-01 15213, 2023
monkey
I think "Weekly discoveries" sums that up pretty well
2023-06-01 15223, 2023
zas
ofc performance decreases a bit when running on one leg, but nothing unexpected
2023-06-01 15236, 2023
mayhem
discoveries is perhaps not the best name. we used that in context of "retrospective of what you've already listened to".
2023-06-01 15249, 2023
monkey
Right. Makes sense. Let me rack my brain a bit
2023-06-01 15252, 2023
mayhem
but in fact, you haven't listened to these tracks yet, so they are future discoveries.
2023-06-01 15232, 2023
monkey
There's also the aspect that you might know these songs, but haven't sent a listen for it in the past (or some issue on LB doesn't recognize you did)
2023-06-01 15248, 2023
monkey
In which case it won't be a 'discovery' exactly
2023-06-01 15250, 2023
atj
zas: 👍
2023-06-01 15200, 2023
zas
and one gw is able to handle the whole traffic without issues, as planned. Load increased from ~2 to ~3 on rudi, nothing to worry about
2023-06-01 15206, 2023
mayhem
yep. subtle, but how do you get that into a short pithy name?
2023-06-01 15218, 2023
monkey
ENGAGE MEGABRAIN !
2023-06-01 15259, 2023
monkey
Weekly exploration?
2023-06-01 15214, 2023
mayhem
yes!
2023-06-01 15234, 2023
mayhem
that's good -- consistent with the other uses of explore on our site.
2023-06-01 15206, 2023
monkey
and we're starying further away from spotify's 'weekly discoveries' as a bonus
2023-06-01 15214, 2023
mayhem
yes!
2023-06-01 15243, 2023
monkey
Could also be something like "Hits of the week" or something, but I suppose that's not the same meaning
2023-06-01 15214, 2023
mayhem
they aren't hits, so no.
2023-06-01 15234, 2023
monkey
"Weekly finds", but that's a bit weaker IMO
2023-06-01 15212, 2023
mayhem
"jams" for stuff you will likely like. "explore" for things that are (possibly) new. "discoveries" for review type playlists.
2023-06-01 15232, 2023
mayhem
that feels sane to me.
2023-06-01 15241, 2023
monkey
Yeah, pretty consistent and pretty clear
2023-06-01 15208, 2023
monkey
I mean, "jams" isn't particularly clear by itself, but I think it won't be tricky to get used to it
2023-06-01 15228, 2023
mayhem
I like Weekly Explore, but that also feels close to spotify.
2023-06-01 15257, 2023
mayhem
and jams is already a common term, so I agree it will be ok.
2023-06-01 15221, 2023
mayhem
Weekly Exploration?
2023-06-01 15232, 2023
monkey
Best so far IMO
2023-06-01 15251, 2023
mayhem
feels right
2023-06-01 15232, 2023
mayhem
motion carried then?
2023-06-01 15212, 2023
monkey
I guess we also have the option of not using 'weekly' in the title, which frees us up a bit. "You might like…", "New to you", things like that
2023-06-01 15236, 2023
mayhem
New to you Jams?
2023-06-01 15245, 2023
monkey
Let's aim for Weekly Exploration, I'll keep my brain online and if anything comes up that's definitely better I'll chime in
2023-06-01 15206, 2023
mayhem
ok. lets sleep on it. if nothing else pops out, I"ll change it tomorrow.
2023-06-01 15236, 2023
monkey
👍
2023-06-01 15258, 2023
monkey
Thanks for the huddle
2023-06-01 15222, 2023
mayhem
np
2023-06-01 15205, 2023
aerozol
mayhem: phew, emailed ~40 people with the press release
2023-06-01 15207, 2023
aerozol
Also submitted to hacker news, if someone has suggestions for improvement (text, title, etc), go for it, we can follow up again in a few days with another one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36150062
2023-06-01 15234, 2023
aerozol
I also lean towards dropping ‘weekly’ and going for Explore (but is that what Spotify uses?)
2023-06-01 15237, 2023
aerozol
Actually, weekly exploration is pretty cool. I wonder if we should render ‘weekly’ in a different font or something. Then our other playlists could have ‘annual’ in them too (just brainstorming)
reosarevok: It is going to be very low key indeed! I think we have some planes? But no way do they go that far
2023-06-01 15234, 2023
mayhem
aerozol: Jean-Robert is a long time MB fan.
2023-06-01 15206, 2023
aerozol
Cool, you want to let me know what to reply? Or shall I write something along the lines of “Thank you for thinking of us - we have also taken notice, and are thinking of next steps, including potentially putting forth a proposal”
2023-06-01 15230, 2023
aerozol
(Eventually I will write stuff without checking but let’s take it slow)
2023-06-01 15214, 2023
mayhem
"Thank you for mentioning us Jean-Robert! We plan to have a formal response to this initiative soon, given that we've already solved a lot of the problems mentioned."
2023-06-01 15222, 2023
mayhem
how is that?
2023-06-01 15228, 2023
aerozol
“We are interested to see how this will look without streaming services involved in the agreement, and if there will be further costs to artists in terms of creating new tech, frameworks, and implementation”
2023-06-01 15244, 2023
aerozol
I think we can go a bit longer on LI, but that sounds good to me too
2023-06-01 15226, 2023
mayhem
aerozol: your version is not edgy enough for us. :)
2023-06-01 15223, 2023
mayhem
"Thank you for mentioning us Jean-Robert! We plan to follow this initiative closely and are considering a formal response to this initiative soon, given that we've already solved a lot of the metadata problems mentioned. Most solutions are ready to use today. Gratis."
2023-06-01 15257, 2023
reosarevok
Wait, gratis? I thought we'd want support :p
2023-06-01 15234, 2023
mayhem
"Thank you for mentioning us Jean-Robert! We plan to follow this initiative closely and are considering a formal response to this initiative soon, given that we've already solved a lot of the metadata problems mentioned. Most solutions are ready to use today, many of them gratis."
2023-06-01 15237, 2023
mayhem
better?
2023-06-01 15201, 2023
reosarevok
Maybe? :)
2023-06-01 15216, 2023
aerozol
I’m risk averse until I’m really comfortable with how we talk! I have caused… trouble… in the past, going straight for edgy
2023-06-01 15252, 2023
mayhem
aerozol: more edgy then? you're not about to get in trouble with me for being a bit more edgy.
2023-06-01 15258, 2023
mayhem
reosarevok: gimme something better.
2023-06-01 15252, 2023
reosarevok
More edgy? "Most solutions are ready to use today, many of them developed by open source people who actually care about artists getting paid, unlike others."
2023-06-01 15218, 2023
mayhem
slightly less edgy?
2023-06-01 15233, 2023
mayhem
the more edgy was pointed at aerozol , not you reosarevok .
