Twitter and reddit going up as well - shall I do hacker news again? Our last one ended up doing okay - I only got accused of being an LLM twice :D https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36150062
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mayhem
wow, 128 upvotes aint bad. sure, lets keep going!
2023-06-12 16359, 2023
mayhem
also moooin!
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mayhem
so, how do we put in something into our messages that makes it clear an AI didn't write it? Time to get a little snark in?
2023-06-12 16351, 2023
reosarevok
lucifer, mayhem: still no answer for "Export Listens fails" from 7 days ago, unless one of you did and forgot to cc support :) Can one of you take a look and put together a short answer at least? :)
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VojtchFonr[m]
isn't a canonical recording the same as Work?
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reosarevok
VojtchFonr[m]: it should not be - works can be recorded by many artists for example :)
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mayhem
reosarevok: ok, sorry.
2023-06-12 16339, 2023
reosarevok
No worries :) Just a heads up
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aerozol
mayhem: I think it’s because we just put in the press release, which was very professional! I’ll do another that wont be professional sounding, why not, let’s compare
2023-06-12 16305, 2023
aerozol
moooin!
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reosarevok
VojtchFonr[m]: a work and a recording are "real things", a canonical recording is just shorthand for uses who don't need anything better than "this is roughly that I guess?"
2023-06-12 16331, 2023
reosarevok
Which is a lot of the uses, really, it seems
2023-06-12 16300, 2023
aerozol
mayhem: I’ve drafted the tutorial blog post, could you please have a look and make sure that the formatting etc makes sense, particularly where I’ve placed code blocks: https://wordpress.com/post/blog.metabrainz.org/10…
2023-06-12 16357, 2023
aerozol
mayhem: no rush, I’ll post it in a week. I wont schedule it to make sure I’m online to share it
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VojtchFonr[m]
reosarevok: oh interesting
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VojtchFonr[m]
reosarevok: but tbh I cant see where that would be better than using the Work (except that a lot of recordings dont have an associated work from what I saw)
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reosarevok
Well that's one thing
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reosarevok
But also, you might want to say "it's this artist's performance of the song" and still not care if it's live or studio for example
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reosarevok
Like, it's not the same to say "I like Eurythmics - Sweet Dreams" or "I like Sweet Dreams" (maybe you only know and like the Marilyn Manson version)
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reosarevok
In an ideal world tbh I wish nobody would want canonical recordings - that'd mean our data is great, all duplicates are merged, and you can just say "I like the studio version / the 1995 live version / whatever"
2023-06-12 16338, 2023
reosarevok
But eh
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VojtchFonr[m]
reosarevok: ooh now i see, thanks
2023-06-12 16357, 2023
VojtchFonr[m]
xd yeah i understand that
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mayhem
reosarevok: I am running the meeting today, yes?
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reosarevok
No, *next* Monday :)
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reosarevok
I mean, if you want to do it today you can, but I'm around so no need
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mayhem
oh perfect. K is doing a monologue performance right during the meeting. in the community center next to the office, conveniently. so, I'll need to duck out by 19:30.
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reosarevok
Ok. Remind me to call you early then
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mayhem
yhx
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CatQuest
dear bitmap, at your leasure, as I know you are very busy, I was wondering about MBS-13090
aerozol: should our sub-reddits go dark for today/tomorrow?
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aerozol
Hmm, good question. What’s MeB’s position on charging for API access?
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mayhem
well, we don't charge for non-commercial. and for commercial we charge *fair* rates according to each supporter. the point being fair.
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aerozol
I mean more what’s our position about others charging heaps for API access. I don’t use any reddit apps/mod tools so I’m not very up to date with this movement I must say...
2023-06-12 16302, 2023
aerozol
Basically, happy to turn em off and on again, if you/others think I should
2023-06-12 16325, 2023
atj
"I mean more what’s our position about others charging heaps for API access." - I think the general position of "fuck late stage capitalism" applies here
2023-06-12 16304, 2023
mayhem
aerozol: atj put his finger on it.
2023-06-12 16323, 2023
mayhem
I think breaking a commiunity for greed is clearly a bad proposition
2023-06-12 16318, 2023
aerozol
I don’t disagree with “fuck capitalism” at all, just don’t want to make the call for MeB
2023-06-12 16322, 2023
atj
building up communities using VC money and then ripping it all down when you realise you've built a business model that won't make them money is bad and should be called out
2023-06-12 16350, 2023
mayhem
I'm happy to make that call.
2023-06-12 16357, 2023
mayhem
that is not ok in our community.
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aerozol
Cool, will make them private now
2023-06-12 16327, 2023
aerozol
re this: I’m going to raise this at a meeting I can make - we could aim to drop Twitter within a year (for example) of double-posting to there and Mastodon and/or elsewhere
2023-06-12 16301, 2023
aerozol
reddits darkened 😱
2023-06-12 16346, 2023
mayhem
I'm waiting for the twitter replacement to emerge. but yes.
2023-06-12 16311, 2023
aerozol
mayhem: Would it be correct to say the new datasets are ‘open-source’? Or is that not a word you use with datasets (doing another hacker news submission)
2023-06-12 16329, 2023
mayhem
More open data -- can I help with the HN submission?
It puts anything you write underneath as a comment - I was just going to try this one with just a headline and the link. Try out the basics. Working title: ’New open dataset: MusicBrainz Canonical Metadata’
2023-06-12 16310, 2023
mayhem
for the blog post, we should be a bit more hyperboilic, I think.
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aerozol
Now that I’m more familiar with HN I suspect the optimal strategy would be to keep the initial post simple, but then have MeB staff/users comment underneath
2023-06-12 16333, 2023
mayhem
"Build your own music tagger with MusicBrainz canonical data"
2023-06-12 16339, 2023
zas
mayhem: ok, I'll add it to nagios, after lunch
2023-06-12 16344, 2023
mayhem
I'm happy to comment.
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mayhem
thanks zas.
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aerozol
Happy to hyperbole it up! It was recommended to make multiple HN posts, because they disappear so quickly, so I don’t think we have to get them perfect
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mayhem
lets learn how to make things stick on HN!
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aerozol
“New MusicBrainz dataset will LITERALLY blow your brain”
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mayhem
I think that is the best avenue for us to get geeks informed.
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mayhem
hyperbole--
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mayhem
:)
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aerozol
When I looked at ‘how to do well at HN’ stuff it was recommended to post multiple times, because it’s easy for a post to get buried if it’s unlucky, and there’s no harm in doing another
2023-06-12 16339, 2023
aerozol
The press release version did well though
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aerozol
“New open music dataset lets anyone build a tagging app”
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Pratha-Fish
Mooin
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aerozol
mayhem: ^ something like that? Or what’s it missing. Your headline looks good to me, but maybe we should use it for when we post the tutorial (or was that for the tutorial?)
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aerozol
moin Pratha-Fish!
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Pratha-Fish
^_^
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mayhem
aerozol: draft saved, tags added. please do a final review and that is good to go.
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mayhem
my headline is for the tutorial.
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aerozol
Ah, we crossed wires. Because we just put out the blog post for the dataset release I think we should wait a bit before doing the tutorial. I was going to repost the dataset release on HN, compare the results to the very serious sounding press release version
2023-06-12 16346, 2023
mayhem
ah ok. at least the next blog post is ready to go then.
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aerozol
Perfect, thanks for that. We’ll use your HN title as well
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mayhem
I thought that posting the tagger post would be good during the reddit timeout -- HN may see more traffic during the darkened period
2023-06-12 16333, 2023
aerozol
Hmm good point. I’ll reshare the dataset release on HN now, and let’s look at releasing the tutorial tomorrow? Still in the blackout, but not riiiight after the dataset post
2023-06-12 16304, 2023
aerozol
Can hacker news users please upvote this? And more importantly, leave a comment if you’re up to it. If that feels shady then feel free to disclose that you’re from MeB :) - https://blog.metabrainz.org/2023/06/12/new-datase…
Thank you! I have a suspicion that seeing upvotes + some comments makes HN items take off
2023-06-12 16341, 2023
mayhem
lets see if that is the case.
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Pratha-Fish
Hey reosarevok I was wondering if you've had the time to review the PR maybe :D
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Pratha-Fish
Until then, I am starting some work on a method to update existing areas in the MusicBrainz-Bot ig
2023-06-12 16305, 2023
Pratha-Fish
Just a little heads up, we're a little (2 weeks) late according to the pre-planned timeline in my GSoC proposal :skull:
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Pratha-Fish
I'm trying my best to catch up. As the opportunity strikes, ig we could also look through the timeline/goals again to see if I missed anything of importance while designing the bot structure
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lucifer
mayhem, monkey: there was a bug that i faced the other day on the new playlists page due towhich rendering fails. do you want me to look at it so that we can deploy later today?
2023-06-12 16307, 2023
mayhem
sure, sounds good.
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mayhem
I think monkey won't be around much this week IIRC
reosarevok: I didn’t really think that far ahead, just getting those out of my brain. Ideally everywhere, but BB and LB have already taken their own trajectories
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CatQuest
aerozol: I agree with you
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reosarevok
What do they use? Just making sure they don't have something we should be using already :)
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CatQuest
but consider this: the pencil icon as well
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CatQuest
how about making it the same style too
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CatQuest
it's taller thna the toher two
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lucifer
monkey: already did. a mismatch in type definitions.
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CatQuest
and. also, for te love of al lthat is holy. make the pencil icno NOT NEXT TO the x
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CatQuest
I don't hate those two suggestions in the coment on MBS-12951
