#metabrainz

It’s like being a librarian, jasje. We all think we could arrange the books and know where to add new books and how to order them. But we suck at it when the time comes. Tbh I end up forgetting where I picked books from at the library after 30mins. This just says that everyone cannot be a librarian

So the editors are always gonna be people of an elite breed who understand the library very well.

reosarevok: its a shit show here rn xD

the stuff works

but it’ll get better

akshaaatt: librarian ref not good tbh

Why do you think so?

bitmap: other small things: https://github.com/metabrainz/musicbrainz-serve... / https://github.com/metabrainz/musicbrainz-serve... /

people who check and re edit may be called so

but the ones like me

who just want to add

bitmap: merging your own https://github.com/metabrainz/musicbrainz-serve... if you think it's good? : )

not go through other ppl’s additions and check them

there’s the slight difference

You have to know the data to add it properly tbh. You just can’t dump the release and recording name and run away

im not reluctant to google some stuff

There’s a ton of things there to add and arrange

"You just can’t dump the release and recording name and run away" can you tell that to a lot of our users? :D

XD

To be fair, a lot of digital music can basically be added like that by now with things like atisket

And it's mostly fine :)

sometimes there can be ill metadata

Not 100% fine, but mostly

Generally a lot better than not having the data, at least

but the amount of work that the new user would cut out for our elite editor

is big

reosarevok: exactly

We need beginner interface

jasje: the point is that if you are an editor and do not end up adding most of the fields required (which makes mb elite), your edit is pretty much useless and someone else will come and have to redo it

I'd not entirely agree with that

If you add some basic fields, it's usually better than nothing - I actually get more frustrated when users fill a lot of fields badly :D

The elite editor will have to come and recheck the data you added ( I would believe they do so)

But if you don't add like a barcode and label for a CD then it's annoying :D

Yeah

Since I cannot even be sure what your release *is* to add missing data

So there's certainly a golden amount of basic data that a beginner interface should allow entering

And some stuff that honestly it probably should not

That point is insightful regarding the release, reosarevok and makes a lot of sense

whats release group btw

xD

So you can have multiple versions of an album, jasje

what

who does that

Let’s say taylor swift’s new album is abc

But there is a japanese version of that album

Called xyz

ohhh

Basically everyone does that, jasje :)

Or abc ( japanese)

Even simpler than that example

There's a CD and a vinyl and a digital download

3 releases :)

thats a pickle ngl

So a release group has all the releases grouped inside it

unterstood

understood*

coming back

reosarevok: akshaaatt: is the mb design overhaul underway?

Theoretically?

In theory yes

We worked on the footer a bit during the summit :)

And we made some progress

great

created a figma I assume?

The figma already existed IIRC

But the design overhaul is mainly focused towards making the website responsive currently

Yes it exists jasje. Find the link in the design system repo

wait ill check

can i elp?

This personas thing is a long shot

We did talk about a beginner interface for both BB and (a bit) MB with aerozol

But I think the mb app could work on the beginner persona for it after discussion with the team

akshaaatt: i mean if the website’s going to get an overhaul

But for MB it's going to take a good while. BB might get there sooner

the to-be written responsive code will get replaced

If we can complete the LB app as we have planned, I might want you to contribute to the MB app next year jasje. The LB app could be taken up by other contributors which I assume could show up in a few months from now

BB has decent interface tbh

It’s not that easy with regards to the revamp for the website jasje

MB app cant be done i think

since we can’t do in app editing

The beginner persona discussion in future could change that. Not putting it out of picture that’s why

the only thing the app would best do is editing

is that possible reosarevok?

or is it more work than the website overhaul itself?

It's not theoretically entirely impossible :p

this statement is like having double negation

XD

Well, it could probably be doable to add editing to the app

don’t force me to apply mathematical reasoning

But I'm not sure it would be less work for the MBS team than the overhaul :D

exactly

Tbh jasje, nothing is possible until you do it. Just saying

should i get into react?

you mean?

The task is simple. Can you make something which fits the guidelines and has users? If you solve that, that’s done then

I was talking about the app

I mean, I understand React Native is a good thing to learn for phone people anyway? :D

Regarding react, it’s always great to learn

Not that I have tried it :p

No to react native reosarevok 🥲 I hate it lmao

app part you know

unless we don’t have in app editing

Ok, I haven't touched it, I just hear of it reasonably often :)

In any case, we need to get the website editor forms into React ourselves

They're not going to get responsive before then for sure

The mb revamp for website would like help anyway jasje. So if you or any of your friends know react and are metadata nerds, we could mentor them

After that we'll look into it further :)

ill see if I can grab some people

but i need the gsoc bait i think

its difficult otherwise

It’s not for the faint hearted though

why is that xD

Let’s talk about that after you have the mb server running on your desktop (if you get started)

xDD

i remember your chats

i know the pain

is it really worse than getting LB up?

Tbh I was a noob also that time

It seems easy to me now

LB setup just takes like 15-20mins I guess

not if you have windows

and some migration is underway

but yeah

Ill try elping on mb front soon

Tbh I was more into mb when I was getting into meb. It’s such a swag to work on such a big website that is used by tens of thousands of people. I wonder why mb isn’t more click baity for beginners

If I were to plan for gsoc as a student and look to build my resume with it today, I would definitely pick MB over other projects. I guess students these days only want the gsoc tag and not what extra they could add to their resume

I think the answer is "Perl sounds scary and people like python projects" :)

Tbh reosarevok we have React projects only mostly for LB also

Doing a gsoc with a language you've never even seen before (which is probably the case for most gsocers re perl) seems terrifying tbh

Sure, but you don't need to figure out Perl code if you need to load something from the DB :D

Hmmmm

I did both my gsocs in Perl, but I had a) some experience and b) a lot of handholding

Interesting

Didn’t think of it this way

Then I got hired to do a Python project for my first ever time doing something with python, the handholding wasn't there either, and it was a huge mess that knocked my confidence for years

not knowing a language and still entering such a huge codebase is a fear and i confirm

But reosarevok , most of the college students aren’t familiar with dev stuff in python also. So my assumption is that front end devs are always gonna need hand holding for backend

I guess :) I thought they'd teach them python in college since it's more popular

What backend do they teach, node? java?

My school taught a bit of java and a bit of c# back in the day (do people still use c#? :D )

reosarevok: they don’t do any

Even as an intern at other places, I have seen the backend devs make apis for frontend devs and the frontend devs just do their frontend stuff and not care about the backend at all. Not saying we want that here but that does summarize that students might not be afraid of the backend part being python or perl as much

no backend

only frontend and that too in php

so its pretty sad here as well

they skip most of the css part as well

ow wait

i said it wrong