It’s like being a librarian, jasje. We all think we could arrange the books and know where to add new books and how to order them. But we suck at it when the time comes. Tbh I end up forgetting where I picked books from at the library after 30mins. This just says that everyone cannot be a librarian
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akshaaatt
So the editors are always gonna be people of an elite breed who understand the library very well.
not go through other ppl’s additions and check them
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jasje
there’s the slight difference
2023-10-17 29031, 2023
akshaaatt
You have to know the data to add it properly tbh. You just can’t dump the release and recording name and run away
2023-10-17 29059, 2023
jasje
im not reluctant to google some stuff
2023-10-17 29003, 2023
akshaaatt
There’s a ton of things there to add and arrange
2023-10-17 29014, 2023
reosarevok
"You just can’t dump the release and recording name and run away" can you tell that to a lot of our users? :D
2023-10-17 29028, 2023
akshaaatt
XD
2023-10-17 29028, 2023
reosarevok
To be fair, a lot of digital music can basically be added like that by now with things like atisket
2023-10-17 29031, 2023
reosarevok
And it's mostly fine :)
2023-10-17 29034, 2023
jasje
sometimes there can be ill metadata
2023-10-17 29039, 2023
reosarevok
Not 100% fine, but mostly
2023-10-17 29048, 2023
reosarevok
Generally a lot better than not having the data, at least
2023-10-17 29013, 2023
jasje
but the amount of work that the new user would cut out for our elite editor
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jasje
is big
2023-10-17 29025, 2023
jasje
reosarevok: exactly
2023-10-17 29055, 2023
jasje
We need beginner interface
2023-10-17 29056, 2023
akshaaatt
jasje: the point is that if you are an editor and do not end up adding most of the fields required (which makes mb elite), your edit is pretty much useless and someone else will come and have to redo it
2023-10-17 29009, 2023
reosarevok
I'd not entirely agree with that
2023-10-17 29037, 2023
reosarevok
If you add some basic fields, it's usually better than nothing - I actually get more frustrated when users fill a lot of fields badly :D
2023-10-17 29006, 2023
akshaaatt
The elite editor will have to come and recheck the data you added ( I would believe they do so)
2023-10-17 29011, 2023
reosarevok
But if you don't add like a barcode and label for a CD then it's annoying :D
2023-10-17 29023, 2023
akshaaatt
Yeah
2023-10-17 29026, 2023
reosarevok
Since I cannot even be sure what your release *is* to add missing data
2023-10-17 29050, 2023
reosarevok
So there's certainly a golden amount of basic data that a beginner interface should allow entering
2023-10-17 29000, 2023
reosarevok
And some stuff that honestly it probably should not
2023-10-17 29003, 2023
akshaaatt
That point is insightful regarding the release, reosarevok and makes a lot of sense
2023-10-17 29013, 2023
jasje
whats release group btw
2023-10-17 29016, 2023
jasje
xD
2023-10-17 29037, 2023
akshaaatt
So you can have multiple versions of an album, jasje
2023-10-17 29051, 2023
jasje
what
2023-10-17 29055, 2023
jasje
who does that
2023-10-17 29056, 2023
akshaaatt
Let’s say taylor swift’s new album is abc
2023-10-17 29007, 2023
akshaaatt
But there is a japanese version of that album
2023-10-17 29012, 2023
akshaaatt
Called xyz
2023-10-17 29019, 2023
jasje
ohhh
2023-10-17 29020, 2023
reosarevok
Basically everyone does that, jasje :)
2023-10-17 29020, 2023
akshaaatt
Or abc ( japanese)
2023-10-17 29023, 2023
reosarevok
Even simpler than that example
2023-10-17 29030, 2023
reosarevok
There's a CD and a vinyl and a digital download
2023-10-17 29038, 2023
reosarevok
3 releases :)
2023-10-17 29052, 2023
jasje
thats a pickle ngl
2023-10-17 29003, 2023
akshaaatt
So a release group has all the releases grouped inside it
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jasje
unterstood
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jasje
understood*
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jasje
coming back
2023-10-17 29057, 2023
jasje
reosarevok: akshaaatt: is the mb design overhaul underway?
2023-10-17 29009, 2023
reosarevok
Theoretically?
2023-10-17 29014, 2023
akshaaatt
In theory yes
2023-10-17 29014, 2023
reosarevok
We worked on the footer a bit during the summit :)
2023-10-17 29020, 2023
akshaaatt
And we made some progress
2023-10-17 29026, 2023
jasje
great
2023-10-17 29037, 2023
jasje
created a figma I assume?
2023-10-17 29054, 2023
reosarevok
The figma already existed IIRC
2023-10-17 29055, 2023
akshaaatt
But the design overhaul is mainly focused towards making the website responsive currently
2023-10-17 29015, 2023
akshaaatt
Yes it exists jasje. Find the link in the design system repo
2023-10-17 29050, 2023
jasje
wait ill check
2023-10-17 29054, 2023
jasje
can i elp?
2023-10-17 29054, 2023
akshaaatt
This personas thing is a long shot
2023-10-17 29018, 2023
reosarevok
We did talk about a beginner interface for both BB and (a bit) MB with aerozol
2023-10-17 29024, 2023
akshaaatt
But I think the mb app could work on the beginner persona for it after discussion with the team
2023-10-17 29025, 2023
jasje
akshaaatt: i mean if the website’s going to get an overhaul
2023-10-17 29037, 2023
reosarevok
But for MB it's going to take a good while. BB might get there sooner
2023-10-17 29019, 2023
jasje
the to-be written responsive code will get replaced
2023-10-17 29014, 2023
akshaaatt
If we can complete the LB app as we have planned, I might want you to contribute to the MB app next year jasje. The LB app could be taken up by other contributors which I assume could show up in a few months from now
2023-10-17 29015, 2023
jasje
BB has decent interface tbh
2023-10-17 29028, 2023
akshaaatt
It’s not that easy with regards to the revamp for the website jasje
2023-10-17 29036, 2023
jasje
MB app cant be done i think
2023-10-17 29046, 2023
jasje
since we can’t do in app editing
2023-10-17 29023, 2023
akshaaatt
The beginner persona discussion in future could change that. Not putting it out of picture that’s why
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jasje
the only thing the app would best do is editing
2023-10-17 29053, 2023
jasje
is that possible reosarevok?
2023-10-17 29015, 2023
jasje
or is it more work than the website overhaul itself?
2023-10-17 29022, 2023
reosarevok
It's not theoretically entirely impossible :p
2023-10-17 29054, 2023
jasje
this statement is like having double negation
2023-10-17 29006, 2023
akshaaatt
XD
2023-10-17 29011, 2023
reosarevok
Well, it could probably be doable to add editing to the app
2023-10-17 29019, 2023
jasje
don’t force me to apply mathematical reasoning
2023-10-17 29024, 2023
reosarevok
But I'm not sure it would be less work for the MBS team than the overhaul :D
2023-10-17 29035, 2023
jasje
exactly
2023-10-17 29045, 2023
akshaaatt
Tbh jasje, nothing is possible until you do it. Just saying
2023-10-17 29019, 2023
jasje
should i get into react?
2023-10-17 29036, 2023
jasje
you mean?
2023-10-17 29039, 2023
akshaaatt
The task is simple. Can you make something which fits the guidelines and has users? If you solve that, that’s done then
2023-10-17 29044, 2023
akshaaatt
I was talking about the app
2023-10-17 29059, 2023
reosarevok
I mean, I understand React Native is a good thing to learn for phone people anyway? :D
2023-10-17 29006, 2023
akshaaatt
Regarding react, it’s always great to learn
2023-10-17 29014, 2023
reosarevok
Not that I have tried it :p
2023-10-17 29024, 2023
akshaaatt
No to react native reosarevok 🥲 I hate it lmao
2023-10-17 29031, 2023
jasje
app part you know
2023-10-17 29043, 2023
jasje
unless we don’t have in app editing
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reosarevok
Ok, I haven't touched it, I just hear of it reasonably often :)
2023-10-17 29020, 2023
reosarevok
In any case, we need to get the website editor forms into React ourselves
2023-10-17 29031, 2023
reosarevok
They're not going to get responsive before then for sure
2023-10-17 29037, 2023
akshaaatt
The mb revamp for website would like help anyway jasje. So if you or any of your friends know react and are metadata nerds, we could mentor them
2023-10-17 29037, 2023
reosarevok
After that we'll look into it further :)
2023-10-17 29059, 2023
jasje
ill see if I can grab some people
2023-10-17 29012, 2023
jasje
but i need the gsoc bait i think
2023-10-17 29018, 2023
jasje
its difficult otherwise
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akshaaatt
It’s not for the faint hearted though
2023-10-17 29009, 2023
jasje
why is that xD
2023-10-17 29053, 2023
akshaaatt
Let’s talk about that after you have the mb server running on your desktop (if you get started)
2023-10-17 29052, 2023
jasje
xDD
2023-10-17 29003, 2023
jasje
i remember your chats
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jasje
i know the pain
2023-10-17 29020, 2023
jasje
is it really worse than getting LB up?
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akshaaatt
Tbh I was a noob also that time
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akshaaatt
It seems easy to me now
2023-10-17 29003, 2023
akshaaatt
LB setup just takes like 15-20mins I guess
2023-10-17 29015, 2023
jasje
not if you have windows
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jasje
and some migration is underway
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jasje
but yeah
2023-10-17 29026, 2023
jasje
Ill try elping on mb front soon
2023-10-17 29024, 2023
akshaaatt
Tbh I was more into mb when I was getting into meb. It’s such a swag to work on such a big website that is used by tens of thousands of people. I wonder why mb isn’t more click baity for beginners
2023-10-17 29059, 2023
akshaaatt
If I were to plan for gsoc as a student and look to build my resume with it today, I would definitely pick MB over other projects. I guess students these days only want the gsoc tag and not what extra they could add to their resume
2023-10-17 29041, 2023
reosarevok
I think the answer is "Perl sounds scary and people like python projects" :)
2023-10-17 29017, 2023
akshaaatt
Tbh reosarevok we have React projects only mostly for LB also
2023-10-17 29019, 2023
reosarevok
Doing a gsoc with a language you've never even seen before (which is probably the case for most gsocers re perl) seems terrifying tbh
2023-10-17 29043, 2023
reosarevok
Sure, but you don't need to figure out Perl code if you need to load something from the DB :D
2023-10-17 29049, 2023
akshaaatt
Hmmmm
2023-10-17 29016, 2023
reosarevok
I did both my gsocs in Perl, but I had a) some experience and b) a lot of handholding
2023-10-17 29058, 2023
akshaaatt
Interesting
2023-10-17 29006, 2023
akshaaatt
Didn’t think of it this way
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monoob joined the channel
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reosarevok
Then I got hired to do a Python project for my first ever time doing something with python, the handholding wasn't there either, and it was a huge mess that knocked my confidence for years
2023-10-17 29008, 2023
jasje
not knowing a language and still entering such a huge codebase is a fear and i confirm
2023-10-17 29051, 2023
akshaaatt
But reosarevok , most of the college students aren’t familiar with dev stuff in python also. So my assumption is that front end devs are always gonna need hand holding for backend
2023-10-17 29016, 2023
reosarevok
I guess :) I thought they'd teach them python in college since it's more popular
2023-10-17 29033, 2023
reosarevok
What backend do they teach, node? java?
2023-10-17 29059, 2023
reosarevok
My school taught a bit of java and a bit of c# back in the day (do people still use c#? :D )
2023-10-17 29043, 2023
jasje
reosarevok: they don’t do any
2023-10-17 29044, 2023
akshaaatt
Even as an intern at other places, I have seen the backend devs make apis for frontend devs and the frontend devs just do their frontend stuff and not care about the backend at all. Not saying we want that here but that does summarize that students might not be afraid of the backend part being python or perl as much
