aerozol, lucifer: About the Discord bridge, please make the shutdown button accessible to the whole team in case of emergency since some people are worried about it. :)
2024-01-08 00813, 2024
mayhem
which might just be a dealbreaker for us.
2024-01-08 00820, 2024
reosarevok
Isn't that what the forum is for?
2024-01-08 00833, 2024
lucifer
they did mention that they might add a irc mode in future though.
2024-01-08 00842, 2024
yvanzo
Isn’t #metabrainz a very long thread?
2024-01-08 00857, 2024
lucifer
yes that is what they suggest.
2024-01-08 00805, 2024
lucifer
create one thread pin it and just keep using it.
2024-01-08 00849, 2024
mayhem
maybe our communication style will evolve over time
2024-01-08 00858, 2024
rdswift
As long as when someone joins the thread they don't automatically start at the first message.
2024-01-08 00806, 2024
zas
where are those bridges hosted?
2024-01-08 00830, 2024
lucifer
zas: i hosted them locally for test, i'll coordinate with you before i deploy on prod.
2024-01-08 00834, 2024
lucifer
does anyone want to try rocket.chat?
2024-01-08 00848, 2024
lucifer
it might allow both free flow and threads.
2024-01-08 00800, 2024
mayhem
if not too hard to setup...
2024-01-08 00803, 2024
lucifer
but i have never used it myself just met a mentor at the gsoc summit.
2024-01-08 00811, 2024
lucifer
okay cool, i'll look into it too.
2024-01-08 00812, 2024
yvanzo
We could also self-host our own IRC bouncer such as thelounge.chat as an alternative to IRCCloud.
2024-01-08 00837, 2024
lucifer
indeed but i think just hearing IRC scares a lot of new contributors.
2024-01-08 00846, 2024
lucifer
so a bridge to somewhere else would be nice.
2024-01-08 00855, 2024
monkey
+1 to that
2024-01-08 00802, 2024
reosarevok
> indeed but i think just hearing IRC scares a lot of new contributors.
2024-01-08 00807, 2024
reosarevok
Good. (?)
2024-01-08 00818, 2024
reosarevok shakes fist at sky
2024-01-08 00825, 2024
zas
if we have 90% of users on "alternative" it will have to be very reliable
2024-01-08 00851, 2024
lucifer
not necessarily reosarevok, i was told it by a very skilled student even today
2024-01-08 00802, 2024
reosarevok
lucifer: I was mostly kidding :)
2024-01-08 00807, 2024
mayhem
reosarevok: yes, it is clearly becoming a detriment.
2024-01-08 00809, 2024
aerozol
I do worry that we’ll move to a only slightly less annoying/off-putting service. But that’s where the bridge comes in. I totally get that we want a bit of a barrier for #metabrainz though
2024-01-08 00812, 2024
lucifer
ah okay lol.
2024-01-08 00821, 2024
lucifer
i personally love IRC but then i have IRCCloud.
2024-01-08 00827, 2024
mayhem hopes to leave 5 mins for the final topic
2024-01-08 00828, 2024
reosarevok
I do wonder how someone who cannot cope with IRC can cope with dev
2024-01-08 00830, 2024
reosarevok
But still :)
2024-01-08 00834, 2024
lucifer
yes lets move on.
2024-01-08 00844, 2024
reosarevok
For non-dev MB user talk, it seems at least a no brainer
2024-01-08 00845, 2024
mayhem
ok, summit talk time.
2024-01-08 00846, 2024
lucifer
i'll setup bridges and notify everyone so that they can test.
2024-01-08 00851, 2024
reosarevok
Ok, final topic
2024-01-08 00802, 2024
reosarevok
mayhem: summit 2024
2024-01-08 00811, 2024
mayhem
we spent $17,783.35 on our summits last year. $1000 was the delhi summit, not including my airfare.
2024-01-08 00815, 2024
reosarevok
In which mayhem tries to convince us that it'll be cheap and good to go to India
2024-01-08 00842, 2024
mayhem
about $2k-$3k more than we would normally spend, but ok, not that a bad expense.
2024-01-08 00806, 2024
mayhem
lucifer and I both did some estimates to see how much it would cost to do the summit in delhi.
2024-01-08 00831, 2024
mayhem
we'd spent more in air fare, but less in hosting and if we hire a cook for the whole week, far less money while eating really well.
2024-01-08 00856, 2024
mayhem
My estimate might be $3k-$5k higher, lucifer thinks we might save money.
2024-01-08 00807, 2024
mayhem
either way, I think we can swing it since I think I can find some sponsors.
2024-01-08 00831, 2024
mayhem
oh, speaking of with, for those of you who remember navap... he's officially down with sponsoring one person to go the summit for $1000.
2024-01-08 00848, 2024
monkey
That's generous
2024-01-08 00807, 2024
mayhem
we are considering the following dates: week of sept 23 or sept 30.
2024-01-08 00822, 2024
mayhem
we'll stick to those times because festivals in india or the gsoc summit.
2024-01-08 00838, 2024
aerozol
I don’t know if I can take another week off this year, but.... India.... hot damn
2024-01-08 00841, 2024
mayhem
weather will still be hot high 34C, lows 25C.
2024-01-08 00855, 2024
mayhem
aerozol: should be much easier travel for you!
2024-01-08 00813, 2024
reosarevok
What's air quality at that time and does the fee cover lung cleaning? :p
2024-01-08 00820, 2024
reosarevok
But the food angle does look promising
2024-01-08 00828, 2024
lucifer
air quality will be decent-ish.
2024-01-08 00828, 2024
mayhem
the plan is to have all of arrive at pretty much the same time, but leave people to spent extra time to visit more of india.
2024-01-08 00852, 2024
monkey
Having only done MeB summits in Barcelona myself, I'm definitely down
2024-01-08 00852, 2024
lucifer
it deteriorates usually mid-end of oct.
2024-01-08 00800, 2024
yvanzo
reosarevok: You can manage one week with an oxygen mask if needed ;)
2024-01-08 00801, 2024
mayhem
so, for next week, I'd like people to do two things: 1. Let me know if you want to go. 2. Which week you would prefer.
2024-01-08 00817, 2024
mayhem
the air wasn't that bad in the end.
2024-01-08 00817, 2024
aerozol
A really great opportunity to meet some more of our India-based team in person too!
2024-01-08 00827, 2024
mayhem
I wore a mask twice for a couple of hours.
2024-01-08 00844, 2024
mayhem
ok, time is up. lets pick this up next week.
2024-01-08 00854, 2024
yvanzo
I was just joking, didn’t think it would be needed at all.
2024-01-08 00803, 2024
jasje
aerozol: goes both ways!
2024-01-08 00811, 2024
mayhem
back to you reosarevok
2024-01-08 00814, 2024
reosarevok
Ok, thanks everyone!
2024-01-08 00819, 2024
reosarevok
See you next week :)
2024-01-08 00820, 2024
reosarevok
</BANG>
2024-01-08 00830, 2024
reosarevok
mayhem: do you want to keep the summit topic then?
2024-01-08 00835, 2024
aerozol
Mmm, reosarevok knows how to bang
2024-01-08 00838, 2024
lucifer
i think we can keep all the topics.
2024-01-08 00848, 2024
yvanzo
MonkeyPython: It’s usually 50% but we can enable any language in the test instance on demand.
2024-01-08 00848, 2024
monkey
Just to be able to finally meet lucifer in person I'm in for the India summit :)
2024-01-08 00853, 2024
jasje
i was at </B>
2024-01-08 00806, 2024
lucifer
hehe :D
2024-01-08 00809, 2024
aerozol
:P
2024-01-08 00822, 2024
reosarevok
lucifer: but then it looks like I forgot them! :D
2024-01-08 00826, 2024
reosarevok
ok, ok
2024-01-08 00828, 2024
TOPIC: MetaBrainz Community and Development channel | MusicBrainz non-development: #musicbrainz | BookBrainz: #bookbrainz | Channel is logged; see https://musicbrainz.org/doc/IRC for details | Agenda: Reviews, Discord bridge (aerozol, lucifer), IRC alternatives (mayhem, lucifer), Summit 2024 (ruaok)
2024-01-08 00830, 2024
jasje
wait lucifer hasn't been to barcelona?
2024-01-08 00839, 2024
lucifer
nope visa issues
2024-01-08 00848, 2024
jasje
oww
2024-01-08 00859, 2024
jasje
every summit?
2024-01-08 00800, 2024
aerozol
*issues with the visa issuing department
2024-01-08 00815, 2024
lucifer
yeah, 3 times in a row now.
2024-01-08 00842, 2024
Kioiokiokio
as a new contributor to this project and this being my first time in the irc , i thought it was a cool , just saying ...... btw this entire public meeting thing every week is great . awesome community :)
Kioiokiokio: welcome! Sorry if your earlier question didn’t get answered? Often everyone is busy
2024-01-08 00829, 2024
jasje
lucifer: condolences, i feel ya
2024-01-08 00834, 2024
monkey
Welcome Kioiokiokio
2024-01-08 00852, 2024
jasje
hello kioiokiokio\
2024-01-08 00802, 2024
jasje
(very tough to write)
2024-01-08 00810, 2024
lucifer
zas: which servers can i deploy the bridges on?
2024-01-08 00840, 2024
Kioiokiokio
i've been to many open source projects before but have neveerrrr seen such a fun , interactive community to work with . looking forward to wroking with you in the future ...
2024-01-08 00850, 2024
zas
they can be on a standalone server right?
2024-01-08 00831, 2024
Kioiokiokio
jasje: was having some trouble creating nickname so just wronte something random in the nickname section and this one got accepted
2024-01-08 00844, 2024
zas
lucifer: you can use quest
2024-01-08 00852, 2024
lucifer
awesome thanks
2024-01-08 00805, 2024
jasje
Kioiokiokio: haha, happens to the best of us. No worries
2024-01-08 00840, 2024
jasje
Kioiokiokio: what project interests you the most?
2024-01-08 00808, 2024
Kioiokiokio
well i am primarily from the ml tech stack so python has been my primary language for some time now . currenlty exploring the projects in your organisation and primarily contributing to picard and its plugins .
2024-01-08 00853, 2024
mayhem
ML, picard? hmmm.
2024-01-08 00804, 2024
mayhem
there is this project we want to do, but its a tricky one.
2024-01-08 00809, 2024
lucifer
aerozol: hi! around for a few minutes?
2024-01-08 00811, 2024
mayhem
BPM detection in music.
2024-01-08 00830, 2024
aerozol
lucifer: yup, just give me a minute to reply to a YIM app question from earlier
2024-01-08 00830, 2024
bitmap
aerozol: hehe, good luck to whoever has to parse that sentence though
2024-01-08 00844, 2024
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2024-01-08 00808, 2024
Kioiokiokio
mayhem : sounds intersting . how would you use that the BPM though ? as a classiifcation or recognition metric for any new or unknown music sample ?
2024-01-08 00829, 2024
aerozol
pranavkonidena_: jasje: app looks great! (I obviously can’t check the interaction from the video, but thanks for adding swipe!) Just a couple of things that I can see from a quick check:
2024-01-08 00835, 2024
aerozol
- Stats: typo remains: ( atleast! ) should be (at least!)
2024-01-08 00841, 2024
aerozol
- Final screen has a ‘unsupported symbol’ icon after 2024, and if we could please make those social channel mentions into links
- no share buttons but not sure if that’s just because there wasn’t time
2024-01-08 00857, 2024
jasje
aerozol: yeah those features are still missing
2024-01-08 00805, 2024
aerozol
jasje: all good
2024-01-08 00814, 2024
jasje
aerozol: so the problem with share is
2024-01-08 00839, 2024
jasje
any parsing library that converts from svg to png is bad on android
2024-01-08 00800, 2024
aerozol
mayhem: kioiokiokio: ooh BPM. There will be some very happy DJ’s out there (who will start using Picard to tag their libraries). Hard one though
2024-01-08 00818, 2024
jasje
due to the sheer size of the svg we get from server
2024-01-08 00829, 2024
mayhem
yeah, which is why we haven't tackled it.
2024-01-08 00827, 2024
aerozol
mayhem: imagine all the seed investment offers you will get if we use LM for *anything* haha
2024-01-08 00842, 2024
jasje
aerozol: and so, We still unsure on share button
2024-01-08 00854, 2024
Kioiokiokio
mayhem : So basically you would want a script or a model to which you pass a audio sample , say a 3 minute song and you are returned with the avg . bpm for that song? then you could usee that data any way you liked
2024-01-08 00800, 2024
jasje
we can still screen shot the screen and share it
2024-01-08 00827, 2024
aerozol
kioiokiokio: fair warning, we hassle LLM on the regular! But where it’s good it’s great, obviously
2024-01-08 00816, 2024
mayhem
yes, but.... Kioiokiokio. the general algorithm for this is to convert the audio into frequency domain (using FFT or so) and then in freq domain, find peaks to find the beats.
2024-01-08 00848, 2024
aerozol
jasje: all good. For the app this year I assume we’re just happy to get something out
2024-01-08 00854, 2024
mayhem
problem is the peak finding is rather tricky. a 120bpm track could be confused with a 60bpm track and a 180bpm track.
2024-01-08 00812, 2024
mayhem
and there are algorithms out there for doing this, we dont need to reinvent the wheel either.
2024-01-08 00833, 2024
mayhem
ideally we would get 3 different algorithms to do the same task and if they disagree, have them vote.
2024-01-08 00808, 2024
mayhem
or we could just go cheesy and make it fully manual.
2024-01-08 00824, 2024
mayhem
have the user select the "essential portion" of a song and then press a button on a down beat.
2024-01-08 00836, 2024
mayhem
not exactly ML tho
2024-01-08 00842, 2024
jasje
aerozol: yeah, ive got time for a few days ill prolly brush things up myself if I don't get distracted
2024-01-08 00850, 2024
yvanzo
Updating MB beta servers…
2024-01-08 00813, 2024
reosarevok
Thanks yvanzo
2024-01-08 00827, 2024
Kioiokiokio
mayhem : so you are suggesing either an ensemble or like a voting classifier for ml algos at beat determination in case they disagree by a large margin , else if they predict each other closely , we could go with the actual results . this does sound like an interesting project , even with refernce it its usage in picard . I think i might look into
2024-01-08 00827, 2024
Kioiokiokio
this more closley over the week and get back to you on this in the next meet ,next monday . hopefully will be done with my other pr by then as well .
2024-01-08 00812, 2024
mayhem
cool!
2024-01-08 00859, 2024
mayhem
if we can use two off shelf beat detectors and possibly create on ourselves, if you're keen to get really into it, this would be stellar.
2024-01-08 00841, 2024
Pratha-Fish
Finally, a reasonable ML project at MeB :P
2024-01-08 00836, 2024
Kioiokiokio
yeah , i can look into that as well . this is sounding rather intersting actually .
