Got a bug in beta where some of the columns are moved to the left, if anyone wants to confirm? Tested in current Chrome in incognito on my end. Gross song and band names sorry: https://beta.musicbrainz.org/work/c6337a77-2279-4…
2024-07-27 20911, 2024
aerozol[m]
Can’t figure out what beta update it might be related to!
MBS-13707: beta.mb: Work table: artist and length columns shift one to the left
2024-07-27 20921, 2024
aerozol[m]
Oof, reosarevok bitmap , it seems that the event Time field is free-text? The docs (https://beta.musicbrainz.org/doc/Event) are clear that it should be the start time of the event, but apparently a few users have started following the format 00:00 - 0:00 (start time - end time). This seems like it could lead to conflicts, or is it just me being paranoid? Should it be free-text?
2024-07-27 20958, 2024
aerozol[m]
Might need to be careful re. screwing users who have entered a lot of end times. It seems there is a desire for them from some users, at least
2024-07-27 20945, 2024
reosarevok[m]
Yes, it's free text, and no, that doesn't make ignoring how it should be used okay
2024-07-27 20902, 2024
reosarevok[m]
Maybe we should enforce it like with dates
2024-07-27 20923, 2024
aerozol[m]
In this case I have some sympathy because the field is just title ‘Time’, not ‘Start Time’. The docs are clear but I don’t think anyone has wilfully ignored anything. But in any case it might be a good idea to limit the field in some way. I suppose free-text was to allow stuff like 3pm, now that I think about it?
2024-07-27 20922, 2024
aerozol[m]
(Not saying it wouldn’t be better if everyone read the docs, but that is another timeline…)
2024-07-27 20920, 2024
aerozol[m]
Have a good night/morning all! Sorry for weekend messages… I’ve almost caught up on my holiday backlog 🥲
also,I am going to ask: can we turn on/ enable nynorsk also? it's kinda a thing, innorway to enable also everything in nynorsk.
2024-07-27 20931, 2024
LupinIII
and if there is a opening for it ,it will make user who writes nynorsk more likely to go in and do it (and i can do some basic ones to get it started)
2024-07-27 20900, 2024
LupinIII
nynorsk is. a combined created academic but alsoskolarly and historically regionally important language. there *will* be people out ther very interested in transalting it
2024-07-27 20906, 2024
LupinIII
I mean the reason I'm doing this in Norwegian is not so much "norwegian users expect things in norwegian (we're used to english and i for one prefer english over bad or cringe translations)
2024-07-27 20906, 2024
LupinIII
but more a "norwegian is a small, language used by $number of people, it needs to be representated in international discourse like this, and actually used especially online and in software or we risk the very real situation where it dies out/becomes only a "kitchen language"
2024-07-27 20953, 2024
LupinIII
nynorsk, doubly so
2024-07-27 20902, 2024
LupinIII
(despite hating parts of it)
2024-07-27 20937, 2024
LupinIII
i actually really like "dialectical" implementations more, as it seems more natural. but it's a compromise in nature.
2024-07-27 20929, 2024
minimal
kitchen language? I've not heard that term before
2024-07-27 20905, 2024
LupinIII
well that's becasue i just usedan norwegian transaltion. heh
I didn't even realise that I was using a norwegian idiom just translated .often english and norwegian have similar or some idioms.
2024-07-27 20937, 2024
LupinIII
*same
2024-07-27 20953, 2024
LupinIII
"– You use more and more English. And a language that does not have a technical language becomes a kitchen language. It will eventually die and lose its status, warns Skei Grande."
Lupnill: I suggest to do the translations for the 3.x branch of Picard first. Most strings there have screenshots attached, which makes it easier. Do the translations on 2.x for any strings left over.
2024-07-27 20940, 2024
LupinIII
sure, but I'd liek to do both
2024-07-27 20948, 2024
LupinIII
I'm doing 3v too
2024-07-27 20906, 2024
LupinIII
i want to see the norwegian strings in the picard i have downloaded here asap
2024-07-27 20926, 2024
LupinIII
infact. how o i get that done?
2024-07-27 20954, 2024
outsidecontext[m
Then do 3.x first. Majority of strings are identical and translations are taken over between the projects.
2024-07-27 20917, 2024
LupinIII
idon't have 3 here
2024-07-27 20927, 2024
LupinIII
version 3.x
2024-07-27 20911, 2024
LupinIII
and i'd imagine strings are copied from 2 to 3, because the opposite doesnt make sense to me
2024-07-27 20948, 2024
LupinIII
but if not does it matter? 'm doing 3 too
2024-07-27 20941, 2024
LupinIII
3 isnt'd coded finished yet, is it? in anycase. strings from 3.x isnt' put into dowbnloaded picard 2.x is it?
2024-07-27 20911, 2024
outsidecontext[m
Weblate is configured to apply translations done in one of them to the other as well. I just mean it is easier to do 3.x because of the screenshots
2024-07-27 20914, 2024
LupinIII
ifi wanted 2.x with these new strings. how do i get that. or if i wanted3 .x do i jsut dl the new
2024-07-27 20922, 2024
LupinIII
oohhh i see
2024-07-27 20950, 2024
LupinIII
that's really great of weblate. i like this software for transaltions so much better than the previouswe had
2024-07-27 20924, 2024
outsidecontext[m
You'd need to run Picard from source. Or for the 2.x branch you could run the daily builds for Linux and Windows from https://github.com/phw/picard-daily
2024-07-27 20954, 2024
LupinIII
ok, thne for my own brain i'd like to do 2.x strings first and thne whatever altered 3.x there are after/simultatiously. my brain jsut works better that way
2024-07-27 20903, 2024
LupinIII
oh so no way to get new language strings in eg pre already dl picard Version 2.11
2024-07-27 20949, 2024
LupinIII
alsois there a way to make picard be able to run more than one instance? afai ki could do that with older versions
2024-07-27 20956, 2024
outsidecontext[m
Not easily, no. You could check out the source and compile the translations, then copy over the .MO files for your language over to the Picard install. But at that point it seems easier to run from source directly
2024-07-27 20909, 2024
LupinIII
yea..
2024-07-27 20941, 2024
LupinIII
when are the picard.org dl eg stable version updatedwith the language files?
2024-07-27 20913, 2024
LupinIII
i prefer stable tbh :D
2024-07-27 20944, 2024
outsidecontext[m
When we do a new release
2024-07-27 20921, 2024
LupinIII
alright
2024-07-27 20930, 2024
LupinIII
what about multiple instance?
2024-07-27 20953, 2024
outsidecontext[m
How do you mean?
2024-07-27 20916, 2024
LupinIII
oh also when's roughly the next release (soi know what to push for language wise deadliens and what not)
2024-07-27 20922, 2024
LupinIII
more thna oneinstane of picard open
2024-07-27 20944, 2024
LupinIII
i think i can do the installersatleast beofre the next release
2024-07-27 20936, 2024
outsidecontext[m
You can open a new instance by running the Picard executable with the "-s" or "--stand-alone-instance" command line parameter
2024-07-27 20923, 2024
LupinIII
uhm. how can I makethis default in windows. cna i later the "egenskaper" uh shortcut rundialoguething
2024-07-27 20907, 2024
outsidecontext[m
On Windows you can edit the shortcut in the start menu and add the parameter to the run command. You could also make copies of that shortcut with different parameters
2024-07-27 20925, 2024
LupinIII
oh neat
2024-07-27 20932, 2024
outsidecontext[m
It's somewhere in the properties dialog
2024-07-27 20945, 2024
LupinIII
yea"properties" that's the englsih for egenskaper
2024-07-27 20902, 2024
LupinIII
hmm, i have mål" (goal) and "start i2(start in)
2024-07-27 20921, 2024
LupinIII
is it the onewith the full name including the picard.ex
2024-07-27 20923, 2024
LupinIII
e
2024-07-27 20911, 2024
LupinIII
oh! it worked! sweeeet!
2024-07-27 20933, 2024
outsidecontext[m
Cool
2024-07-27 20911, 2024
LupinIII
lol there was a really bad error here "skuespill" instead of "spill" since "play" could be either
2024-07-27 20934, 2024
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LupinIII
hehe, the "translated to $language by trasnifexteam" shoudl probably be updated by now
and there is me but with zaphodbeeblebrox name lol
2024-07-27 20940, 2024
LupinIII
i'm very pleasedwith the "filklynger" term for "clustered files" i must say
2024-07-27 20915, 2024
outsidecontext[m
Lupnill: ? You are Akira?
2024-07-27 20919, 2024
LupinIII
yes!
2024-07-27 20927, 2024
LupinIII
aka ApekattQuest
2024-07-27 20933, 2024
LupinIII
née catcat
2024-07-27 20941, 2024
outsidecontext[m
Ah, didn't know whom I was chatting with, sorry
2024-07-27 20945, 2024
LupinIII
oh sorry!
2024-07-27 20951, 2024
LupinIII
sorry sorry sorry
2024-07-27 20916, 2024
LupinIII
i simpl assumed "norwegian + lupinIII addict =everyone know it's me"
2024-07-27 20923, 2024
LupinIII
:D
2024-07-27 20939, 2024
outsidecontext[m
All good 😊
2024-07-27 20946, 2024
LupinIII
^__^
2024-07-27 20957, 2024
outsidecontext[m
You can update the list of translators. There is a string translators-credits or something. It is supposed to be updated by translators who want their names mentioned
2024-07-27 20911, 2024
LupinIII
hey i cnatotally do that woohoo
2024-07-27 20947, 2024
LupinIII
and now i can actalyl use my actual name because my actual name doesnt make me cringe anymore \o/
2024-07-27 20914, 2024
LupinIII
what about the transifext thing?
2024-07-27 20921, 2024
outsidecontext[m
In most languages it is a bit chaotic. Mostly because of how Launchpad tried to handle that automatically. It has been many years since we stopped using Launchpad for translations, but the weird credits stay around
We should at some point clean this up a bit, maybe remove this "by Launchpad contributions" from all languages. It confuses everyone I think
2024-07-27 20937, 2024
outsidecontext[m
Oh no, now we also have the dead transifex team references there as well :(
2024-07-27 20948, 2024
LupinIII
it was relevant whne we transferred from launchpad to transifext in the beginning, but i don't think it's actually relevant anymore. are any of the strings form there still i nthe program? perhaps some "extended translation history sub-popup"
2024-07-27 20915, 2024
LupinIII
lol yea
2024-07-27 20943, 2024
outsidecontext[m
Many still are around. Keeping the names might make sense. But honestly it's a mess
2024-07-27 20900, 2024
LupinIII
i still maintain that I (andperhasp senilix) are the main norwegian transaltors
2024-07-27 20920, 2024
outsidecontext[m
Makes sense, yes
2024-07-27 20922, 2024
LupinIII
but i havent seen him in aages
2024-07-27 20929, 2024
LupinIII
yea
2024-07-27 20911, 2024
LupinIII
i like the ideaof having a n extra translation popup with extended credits actually. it might make sense to explain the history a littel bit too in there
2024-07-27 20912, 2024
outsidecontext[m
With weblate it is much easier to keep track on who contributed.
2024-07-27 20926, 2024
LupinIII
:D
2024-07-27 20943, 2024
LupinIII
i realyl like this actually.somuch better than transifex
2024-07-27 20905, 2024
outsidecontext[m
Glad to hear.
2024-07-27 20942, 2024
LupinIII
i've been on board since i first tried it (and at that time it actually worked in the old browser whiel transifext did not. but now it doesnt of course, but i'm on the new computer now so :D)
2024-07-27 20903, 2024
outsidecontext[m
Some of course like the translation UI of Transifex better. But I also prefer Weblate. And overall it has so many advantages I wouldn't want to go back
2024-07-27 20908, 2024
LupinIII
it'smuch funner now.ijsut have a millino old tabs and workroutines to try to move over
2024-07-27 20940, 2024
LupinIII
i like vivaldi, but i miss the way it's easier to have oversikt of tabs in firefox
2024-07-27 20925, 2024
outsidecontext[m
I need to go, but let's keep this topic about improving the translator credits in our mind. We should discuss this more at some point
